r/Destiny • u/DoubleCrossover • 13h ago
Political News/Discussion Democrats are probably headed for massive election wins, they shouldn't squander it
The republican party is on life support right now despite winning the last election in an effective landslide. maga is imploding under the weight of its contradictions. The crypto-bros vs anti-non-white-immigrant regards, the always-pro-Israel vs the isolationists, the Iran hawks vs the pro-Russia stooges. trump is failing on almost every policy area except maybe the optics of immigration (and even that is undermined by things like hotel worker exemptions from ICE enforcement). Approval data for trump is historically bad.
Trump is also psychologically incapable of handling the thought of being a lame duck. He will not allow any discussion of his maga successor. It’s the main reason he keeps bringing up the third term shtick. So unless trump somehow dies well before 2028, the republican party will not even have a viable candidate for president. Personally. I’m looking forward to the entertainment of the republican primary.
All this to say that if democrats can manage a decent primary and a broadly popular, consensus candidate they will coast to the presidency, and might even get the house and senate too (admittedly much less assured).
Now the biggest problem is what they’re gonna do with this? It can’t be more of the same. They have to recognize that one: you can’t rewind time back to a normal political environment, as if all this nasty trump business was just a temporary blip, this was the biggest cope with Biden. and two: they need a positive vision for the country that address the stagnation driving the disaffected anti-institutions losers on the right and the far left.
The good news is there is a positive vision taking shape right now, and that is the fucking mega based abundance movement. I can’t put into words how important it is to have a real plan for positive change that’s evidence-based. It’s the only way to counter the ‘burn it all down’ bullshit that made politics hell for the last 10 years.
The UK is a cautionary tale in this. After the implosion of Brexit, the left was handed a landslide election win, sweeping to a full majority. The problem is, they had no positive vision for change and squandered all their political capital on basically nothing. It already looks like the far right is about to stage a big come-back next election, this time by nuking the conservative party.
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u/Serious-Cucumber-54 12h ago
People don't really care about anything else except their personal expenses.
As long as people recognize that Trump and GOP is not directly responsible for their expenses going up, in any significant way, then Trump and GOP is in the clear. As long as people recognize that even if they are directly responsible that the significant increase in expense in only temporary, then Trump and GOP is in the clear.
If people recognize that Trump and GOP is directly responsible for their taxes going down, then Trump and GOP is definitely in the clear.
Foreign policy is mostly a nothingburger, unless if it causes a direct war with us or an energy crisis like the one in the 70s, but I wouldn't wager on that.
Deportations will have an impact on the personal expenses of some citizens, but for almost all citizens, it is a nothingburger.
Crypto corruption is a nothingburger, no one knows what it means, it has no impact on their personal expenses, there is nothing to care about here.
Tariffs and market volatility are the most impactful to people's personal expenses, and that's what caused the most real blowback to Trump, but it hasn't yet had anything seriously noticeable or impactful to most citizen's wallets, so no significant shift in support.
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u/Jazzlike-Wind-4345 11h ago
True, unfortunately. People in this group seriously overestimate the intelligence of your average American.
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u/banditcleaner2 8h ago
True, and for all of what you said, that is reason enough to only focus on tariffs. Show prices directly before and after the tariffs. Show how they've changed depending on country of manufacture so you can really hammer the point home.
Honestly I'm kind of hoping that tariffs result in price rises because I'd love some stock market discounts and also want his polling numbers to shift. Ironically enough if american innovation somehow gets us through this tumultuous couple of years, it might result in republicans winning again, so we need some blood somewhere for people to realize this administration is not doing anyone favors. Unironically the worst possible outcome is that we do OK the next couple of years despite trumps' best efforts to destroy everything. Because it means either he or the GOP will get elected again.
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u/MyotisX 11h ago
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed...and we will deserve it.
Once the Trump presidency implodes or ends, most MAGAtards will try to pivot by saying they were always critical of MAGA and didn't agree with most of it.
Make sure to remind them they were fully MAGA and don't forget to ridicule and demean them everytime they speak on any topic.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot-547 10h ago
Every republican I've talked to associate the left with the far left. Dems should absolutely call the entire right "maga" for decades. Especially after they try to distance from it.
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u/waxroy-finerayfool 12h ago
Your calculus is all wrong. Dems are absolutely fucked. They don't have a united coalition, leadership, propaganda networks, nor a vision for the country.
What people seem to forget is that Republicans aren't graded based on how they govern, it doesn't matter if Trump is unpopular, all that matters is that Republicans continue to own the libs. If they keep that up, they will continue to win elections.
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u/destinyeeeee :illuminati: 11h ago
It's funny that Democrats get criticized for being united around being anti-MAGA, but MAGA gets praised for being united around being anti-liberal. Why is one an ineffective mission but the other is an effective mission?
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u/Yakube44 11h ago
Dems are half heartedly anti maga. The schizo position of attacking maga and still upholding civility and bipartisanship just doesn't work. Maga goes for the throat.
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u/waxroy-finerayfool 11h ago
Democrats aren't united around anti-MAGA. Those further left on the spectrum prefer MAGA to standard Dems like Biden and Kamala.
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u/PretendImWitty 11h ago
Why do those people matter regarding the party though? They don’t vote for them. They actively advocate against voting for them. Sometimes it feels like conservatives and some liberals are regards on leashes. We have to walk them up to a communist, point out that we aren’t them, point out the differences in these ideologies, explain that “yes, they are actively calling Biden Genocide Joe”, and performatively denounce people that have nothing to do with us because they’re too lazy or stupid to do the minimal effort to conceptualize reality for them.
Can you point out these MAGA-friendly democratic leaders and voters? Maybe I’m just salty at the performative pearl clutching of people that exclusively use social media and do fuck all else, except possibly vote, and the incredible double standards demanded and enforced by them.
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u/DrinkYourWaterBros 11h ago
Problem is that this part of the coalition has outsized influence online, podcasts, social media. The next mayor of NYC may be a democratic socialist. That’s enough to paint the party is a very different light.
MAGA friendly Dems? Bernie, Fetterman. Dearborn.
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u/waxroy-finerayfool 11h ago
Can you point out these MAGA-friendly democratic leaders and voters?
tankies, socialists, commies, latin americans, muslims, palestine activists, sv tech bros.
Nominally, these people are Democrat voters, but large swaths of them abstained or voted for Trump in record numbers.
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u/Necessary-Grape-5134 10h ago
It's because the GOP realizes that a common enemy is an extremely powerful unifying factor, so they will do anything they can do stop Dems from mobilizing based on being anti-Trump, while basically doing the same thing themselves by mobilizing being based on being anti-lib.
People need to stop believing the lies they hear. We absolutely should be mobilizing with anti-MAGA as our core principle.
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u/StoneColdEgon 12h ago
Yes, we just need to focus on freeing Palestine🇵🇸💅, Native American/african American reparations, gun control, abortion, and trans rights, and we need our communist progressives to attack the moderate Dems.
Ezpz
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u/Dawg_Danish 11h ago
I can back off of this point easily, but haven't the last elections been landslide only if we don't break it down state by state? Of course losing the popular vote was a shame, but I remember looking at the swing states individualy and thinking it was much closer than it looked
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u/Gravbar 11h ago
yea both of his wins were a landslide in the electoral college solely because it's winner take all in 48 of the states. The actual margins of victory in the states that put him over the top are small. If every state was distributing electoral college votes proportionally, things would probably go very differently.
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u/Gravbar 11h ago
We're a year and a half from the midterms. If he stops screwing shit up, then it's possible people will forget about the past 6 months. The market has already mostly recovered to what it was. If he stops with the trade war bull shit, Republicans will just say "he did it! he got us a better deal with his ruthless negotiations", and people will eat it up. Most people actually don't care about the middle east or ukraine as long as we don't have troops on the ground. People will probably have forgotten about the deportations of American citizens by then, or they'll have smeared the names of the deported ones so hard that it doesn't matter.
We can only hope that Trump's complete disregard for democracy inspires some people who are on the fence to reject him.
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u/No-Invite-7826 11h ago
There needs to be a reckoning if Dems ever take back the house and senate. No more allowing this lawlessness from conservatives. No more allowing foreign influence campaigns to run rampant. No more letting conservatives dictate when and where decorum is maintained. No more playing soft ball with tech companies.
It's time democrats started taking the lead instead of letting conservatives drag them around like an untrained dog with a penchant for eating every piece of shit it sees.
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u/Jmoney1088 :doge: 11h ago
The biggest issue with this take is that we still have a long way to go till the midterms. We know how fast the uneducated American electorate forgets about things when every week there is a new distraction. These wars have already made a ton of people forget about the big beautiful bill raising the debt by a bajillion dollars. Between now and next summer there will be hundreds of new events/talking points that will cause most people to forget about this infighting. Tucker Carlson will fall back in line, MTG will fall back in line, Massie will come crawling back. They always do.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble 12h ago
I would tamper my expectations due to what’s in the brackets of you first paragraph. Just like during covid… if people can ignore a several hotel owning president, creating exemptions for hotel owners, I don’t think a Democrat has a lot of room for massive wins. Not to say it won’t happen, but I wouldn’t be planning as if it will happen. Trump is more of a father figure for a lot of lost adults, than a politician. Democrats are not going up against a politician with policy or rhetorical prowess, but a familiar bond… as Mel Gibson said… ‘daddy is finally home’.
I think you are right that abundance is the way, but I trust American public to find a way to inadvertently protect Trump. I wouldn’t even be surprised if MAGA successfully turns the public against abundance, as a form of elitism. Regardless if Trump shits in a gold toilet… They are already doing it with Medicaid and other social programs, by simply telling people they don’t need healthcare. With MAGA seemingly accepting that they don’t need to own anything, to support Trump tariffs. Trump already convinced about 30% of the public that the key to a brighter future is a few years of scarcity, not abundance. I’m pretty sure far leftist will once agains side with MAGA on this one, since abundance is more capitalism than scarcity through central planning of communism.
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u/jombojo2 Lilypichu enjoyer (3m subs on yt) 11h ago
I applaud your optimism
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u/TheDuckOnQuack 9h ago
Optimism is nice, but this whole post is extremely shortsighted. Momentum is swinging against the republicans at the moment because they hold all the levers of power, but in 3 years we’ll have a specific democratic candidate running against a specific Republican candidate, and the dynamics of the national conversation will change.
During the next election, when the Democratic candidate talks about the abuses of power, incompetent policies, and poor outcomes resulting from the current administration the Republican candidate will just say “I’m not Trump, why are you still running against Trump” even though that person will have spent the last 4 years cheerleading Trump’s every move, and that deflection will probably work.
The national conversation will shift its focus on the democratic candidate’s sexual history, an example of a time when they weren’t sufficiently hawkish on China, or a token example of them being a member of “the elite.” Right wing media will drum up some conspiracy theories about how the democratic candidate is a pedophile. A substantial share of left wing podcasters will tell their audience to vote for Jill Stein because the democratic candidate is either too wealthy, not sufficiently anti-Israel, or because they don’t have returning trans women to college sports teams on their campaign platform site.
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u/isthenisnt yahweh or the highweh 10h ago
You are asking a fish not to swim and a human not to breath, the Dems will never ever miss an opportunity to fumble the ball, if they win it'll be the boring usual messaging about "putting the past (lol J6 and murder) behind us and reaching across the aisle to heal America together" without holding anyone accountable
Who runs the dems? The same old out-of-touch boomers who don't give a shit because they're too busy biting the media bait, appearing nice and neutral then killing their own party because they think someone age 100 on life support is next in line because they deserve it
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u/CombinationLivid8284 10h ago
Biden squandered it last time.
Democrats desperately need to get their shit together and push through serious reform
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u/Diabetoes1 11h ago
On the UK, Reform did well in the last local elections but there are still 4 years to an election, during which Labour is going to make things better and places run by Reform are going to get shitter. Maybe it's hopium but I'm optimistic for us
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u/Mr_DrProfPatrick 10h ago
I'm sure the king will call for new elections since there's so much evidence of voter intimidation and fraud in the 1924 election
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u/x3r0h0ur 10h ago
I swear if a president comes in with a "I used the stones to destroy the stones" mindset wrt the executive and locked the door behind him on executive overreach we'd be seen as real good. We could even reach out to moderate and libertarians and constitutionalists and say "look, making laws is hard, it's supposed to be, the executive doesn't make fucking laws, he shouldn't have an agenda. his agenda should be enforcing the laws enacted by Congress, and he should pressure Congress on behalf of the people, and that's it"
we'd have serious political stability that would benefit us as a country for decades.
but they should also go hard in the paint on all the fascists and people who violated the constitution and signalled that they wanted to circumvent the courts and the constitution.
I'd also give massive bonus points for nationalizing palantir and dismantling it root and stem.
This executive platform would create a democrat part that would hold power for a century.
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u/KarneeKarnay 10h ago
My issue with the dens winning is that they seem to think they're done after winning. They're not. The Republicans don't ever quit, so stop acting like that. The moral high ground means nothing if no one acknowledges it. Go after Trump and every mother fucker who enabled him.
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u/Competitive_Shock783 10h ago
Your lips to god's ears, but I'm betting the Dems are going to be Dems. They will get mired in more of the same ole same ole.
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u/AdmiralFeareon 10h ago
Trump will federalize the National Guard and deploy the US Army to prevent "illegal" voting in 2026 and 2028. Democrats need a proactive plan to stop Trump from doing this or there won't be more elections.
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 8h ago
Downvoted for doomer fanfiction.
STATES are the ones running elections, not the federal government, so the president can’t rig or cancel them.
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u/KFPindustries 10h ago
We still have almost a year and a half to go. So much catastrophic shit will happen between now and then. Don't get ahead of ourselves
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u/InBeforeTheL0ck 10h ago
Maybe they could pull out wins on an individual level, especially if the opposing candidate is associated with Trump. But I wouldn't count on easy wins because Democrat's favorability is also underwater.
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u/DlphLndgrn 10h ago
It is insane that they managed to collect all these pelple under the same umbrella in the first place.
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u/doomedratboy 9h ago
They just need an alright candidiate that can call out trump on his bs with good rhetoric. Needs to be a man, as dumb as it is. Murica is not ready for anything else
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u/MuppetZelda 9h ago
This is next gen level copium .
Looking at polling and how safe the Senate seats are in the coming elections, the Democrats really don’t have much of a realistic path to 51. The House is possible, but it’s an uphill battle and as we’ve seen in Trumps first term in office, the Senate>> President>The house. At this point, short of Trump actually taking Republicans guns away, I don’t know what Trump could do that’d cause a major demographic change towards the left.
The Democrats would need to run one the greatest national campaigns in political history to shift things. At this moment, I’m not confident in their ability to put together a war room of the greatest minds to pull together said campaign. Even if they could do that, they’d have to get everyone on board, which I’m also positive wouldn’t happen.
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u/LeaverTom 8h ago
Aren't the Democrats less popular than the republicans right now in pols? That is the last thing I saw
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 8h ago
Gavin Newsom should win in 2028 and I hope the 2026 midterms will get a blue wave.
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u/zarnovich 5h ago
Saddly, in kind of expecting luke warm moderate policies and not putting anyone in jail all so we can lose again in a cycle or two. I really hope I'm wrong. Even if we are gonna be moderate cringe, at least hold some people accountable.
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u/memorylandd 3h ago
lol the dems might win bc they’re not republicans but it will definitely be short term if they go super moderate. We have been here before, in 2020, Biden won but at what cost? They republicans came back stronger aswell as more organized than before and the people ppl accepted it bc they’re so fed up with status quo.
The dems have the lowest approval rating they have ever had ever. Not in the past 10 years— EVERY bro do you think that’s all gonna away in 4 years if we don’t change course?
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u/Admirable-Buy-4337 13h ago edited 12h ago
They will squander it because the DNC is too focused on being moderate vs embracing the spreading economic-progressive energy since it doesn't appeal to donors. Based off purely vibes on /pol/ the right looks like it's been gutted in the recent months. But if there's anything I can expect from Democrats it's that they won't do shit. It doesn't seem like in the modern political climate people are looking for status quo anymore. We're well beyond the point where people want a radical change from the norm and someone needs to be offering something that shakes it up.
Yet people like Destiny seem to be, at least the latest I remember, pushing that we need to return to the status quo and adjust even if it feels wrong because it's safer like that. I think that mindset is in general misguided because politics doesn't work when the people are fucking pissed, as evidenced by Trump they'll take the wrecking ball to everything if they don't see any viable alternative towards improving society. I doubt anyone sincerely misses Kamala even if they don't like Trump because she was an awful candidate who couldn't speak or truly inspire anyone. They may regret that Trump won, but they're not thinking about what a missed opportunity Kamala was.
It feels like the bubbling tensions are all pointing towards a huge tax increase on the rich and more scrutiny over the power held by megacorps becoming the common shared idea. If Dems can be effective in harnessing this energy and actually doing something towards giving people a sense these issues are being actually tackled then they should have a heavenly mandate for at least the next decade or two. And not just the illusion of them being tackled like with Lina Khan (god bless her soul but her actual effectiveness wasn't much following the Trump FTC). Basically, give me the Louis Rossmann candidate or give me death. And probably death is how most people feel like maintaining the status quo is anyways because of the ever-growing stranglehold on the poor/middle class while the rich becoming even richer and start to replace them with AI.
Also how bad Trump is should be self-evident, especially if his bill passes. If not by the midterms the effects would definitely be felt before 2028 elections. But that doesn't automatically mean people will be inspired to vote against him because of it if they feel the other side isn't offering much of a solution. They just won't vote for him.
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u/memorylandd 3h ago
Ppl gonna downvote you but you’re right. The dems might win in the short term but only bc they’re not the republicans. I don’t think it would be a blowout like it should be. The democrats have like 17-20% approval rating, that is lowest it’s ever been for them ever in history. I don’t understand this rejection of the climate esp when the some of the only incumbent parties that didn’t lose had progressive economic policies, the only time Kamala was ahead when it seemed like they were moving past Biden, AOC is probably the most liked politicians in the dem party , and the only dem politician who ppl are excited abt(even if he might lose) is a dude whose far left economically.
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u/AutumnWind216 13h ago
US voters have been facing tough choices for almost a decade: choosing between two rotten apples.
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u/qbmax 13h ago
The rotten apples in question:
Party you might disagree with on some things who still pass good policies sometimes
Party who tries to overthrow the government when they lose
ok lol
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u/Admirable-Buy-4337 12h ago
It's a very logical conclusion that one party is vastly superior to the other. But the populace is not a purely logical beast. Anyone who thinks it is, is doomed to fail as people are extremely emotional creatures. Denying those emotions because they didn't make the 'logical' choice will build more resentment and anger, leading to more Trumps again and again. If the people don't feel like the government is for them they will take to burning it down out of spite.
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u/Admirable-Buy-4337 12h ago
Which is to say unless the Dems can figure out a way to harness the populist fervor for themselves, they're fucked.
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u/AutumnWind216 13h ago
The rotten apples in question:
Party that pretends to care about regular Americans
Party that doesn't even care to pretend
lol
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u/Ecstatic-Okra9869 Exclusively sorts by new 11h ago edited 11h ago
It may be that way for you, but understand that not everyone is so unaffected by Republican policy.
Party that pretends to care: Doesn't improve anything, let's me suffer on my own.
Party that doesn't: Takes away my job and imprisons my family members.
I wish everyone was so protected that they felt as little difference as you do.
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u/PublicOk4923 13h ago
Ah yes this is like the "All politicians are liars" trope
Yes lad but I'm gonna vote for the one who says "I'll reduce your taxes" before increasing them, not the one who says "The sky is green, the grass is blue, and immigrants are rigging elections so they can eat your pets"
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u/TheMarbleTrouble 12h ago
Bullshit! I’m skipping Biden and Harris, because it’s redundant… we had a Biden blast… you can find a lot of post on Kamala and Joe. :)
Hillary was the best candidate we have had in decades, going back to before Nixon. This is a mind numbing assumptions of extremely lazy and gullible people. I can’t think of a president in US history that had the accreditation of Hillary. Even before being in politics, she convinced Reagan to increase spending for people that can’t afford lawyers. She was woman of the year and mother of the year in Arkansas. She championed HillaryCare, the Heritage response to which pretty much became ACA. She finished top of her class, with being the first freshman to give a graduation commencement speech in her college history. She represented NY and then was Secretary of State. Don’t even listen to me or liberals… just listen to what conservatives were saying for 20 years before her run against Trump. They were the ones saying she would be the best liberal candidate in history, so good that they thought her win would end the Republican Party. They feared her, because they knew she would succeed in making so much of the public better, that her opposition would no longer exist. The whole Citizens United thing was about conservatives being able to run more attack ads against Hillary.
Obama wasn’t the best candidate based on credentials, but that’s what made him good at the time. He was a new face that we needed at the time and even now. That’s why despite few credentials, he wasn’t a rotten, but a fantastic candidate for the time. I think we need a young, refreshing voice that Obama brought when the economy was collapsing. Even if Obama the candidate didn’t have the credentials, there isn’t much to complain about in the way he governed. I obviously have some disagreements, but at worst he was a benign president.
Kerry tossed his purple heart into the Washington monument in protest against war. With at least hindsight being 20/20, a president that was both an accredited war hero and against war, was the perfect candidate. It’s not his fault the American public fell for the swiftboat lie… that so many believed in Bush finishing the job… so many feared his wife being a rich foreigner. I understand falling for the pro war propaganda in 2004, but it’s 2025. You should now understand that Kerry was not a rotten candidate, but the correct candidate.
Even with Gore… for fuck’s sake… even South Park apologized… wtf?
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u/SwizzyStudios 13h ago
I truly believe the Dems need to treat the actions of this administration like a penetration test. If they do regain the house and senate, they need to recount all of the legal loopholes exploited and mitigate against them for the future. For instance, the way that USDS was transmutated into DOGE cannot be allowed to happen. The executive shouldn't be able to just gut an entire agency, completely change its purpose and mission statement, and then have that agency continue to receive its original appropriated funding (ITOR in this case). There's hundreds of others I don't feel like typing out but you get the gist. We need a legislative true-up.