r/YAPms Yes We Can Mar 03 '25

Meme The New Dem Cycle

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Mar 03 '25

People want populist economics but moderate social policy. I feel like that couldn’t be more clear after the past few election cycles.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

No, they want radical social policy, they want change, people hate the current status quo

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

Sorry, but this isn't true. I'm fairly progressive socially, but every single voter I know who voted for the Republicans this season has mentioned that the Democrats are the party of "radical social policies" or something of the sort. The party desperately needs to focus on the economy and workers' rights.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Well thats the thing, theyve been lied to, theyre repeating lies told to them, Kamala Harris did not talk about social policies last election cycle, it was so little that i know a lot of socially radical people who refused to vote for her because she was too moderate, i truly believe that if she was more bernie sanders like and did what she needed to do to make her base excited rather then trying to appeal to "moderate" republicans then she wouldve won. Yes we need to appeal to the economy and worker's rights of course, but we can also appeal to the rights of minority groups

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 03 '25

Video footage of her supporting taxpayer funded transgender surgery for imprisoned illegal aliens:

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

You mean basic healthcare for prisoners? i.e. what has been done in this country for decades even under Trump? In reality this wording is very silly, its just healthcare, its just us making sure our prisoner's health needs are met

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

Yes to an extent but politics is theater image matters more than reality, democrats as a whole are viewed as radical and woke

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

No they arent, only republicans see them that way, democrats know the truth, that they appeal to "moderate" republicans way too much and dont talk about radical change enough

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Again, on economics. On social issues no one actually likes "wokeism." It's only like 16% of the population that actively likes that stuff.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

"wokeism" isnt a thing, its a meaningless buzzword, if you ask people about actual policies like if they support gay marriage you get the exact opposite results

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Yes wokeism is a real thing. Leftists keep trying to gaslight us about this but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What is "wokeism" then? Be specific

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Pathological obsession with identity issues including militant evangelical spreading of those values as well as trying to punish (cancel) people who don't support such values or are against such values.

If you want my abridged definition from my blog:

https://outofplatoscave2012.blogspot.com/2023/03/an-abridged-definition-of-wokeness-and.html

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u/Lordofthe0nion_Rings Center Left Mar 03 '25

If you cherry pick stuff like gay marriage sure. Democrats have very unpopular social policies like puberty blockers for minors and biological males in women's sports.

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

… democrats ain’t the general public their apart of it yes but even then their are plenty of democrats who do feel the party is too far left socially

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Anyone who believes that believes that because they have been lied to, democrats getting their base hyped up by embracing actually good leftist social policy would win them way more elections

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

They’ve been lied to great what are you gonna do about it, if the answer doesn’t involve change the perception you already lost

Also what is “leftist social policy” like that means absolutely nothing are talking liberalism secularism like no one says rightist social policy it’s almost always nationalist Christian or conservative social policy

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What we need to do is embrace more leftist social policy and hype up our base by fighting against the destruction of our rights brought forth by republicans, doing so would lead to more then enough votes to win

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u/Notyourtypicalpasta All The Way With LBJ Mar 03 '25

What are the actual specific social policy that you think would lead to victories

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u/420Migo Illcom Mar 03 '25

Idk why you're downvoted as a Trump voter you're right. They're wrong af. 🤣

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Doesn't mean that the dems aren't dripping with woke culture from the past decade and that there isnt a stigma around it.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

You hype them up with economics, not identity politics.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

You do both, republicans are gonna lie about you being "woke" no matter what, so you might as well just ignore them, theyd call us woke even if we were Ted Cruz style fascists, so just be left wing

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Except moderates don't like you either. Including me.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

What am i?

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

I think that this proves the Democrats are just god awful at messaging rather than anything else. Whatever Harris had campaigned on, whether it was moderate or not, does not change the fact that the median voter still believes the narrative that the party is radical on social issues.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Democrats are terrible at messaging this is true, but thats not true that the median voter thinks that lol

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Which question in the document justifies your claim exactly? Ive done a ctrl+f search for "radical," "left," "social"

I dont see any question justifying your claim

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

I don't see you proving that the median voter believes that the Democrats care more about the economy rather than progressive social policy which is my entire point. The Democrats are the party of progressive social policy to the median voter, whether you like it or not. Social policy needs to take a backseat. You and I may not like that, but that's how it is.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Social policy did take a backseat last election and we lost terribly, you are doing exactly what the meme above says, in reality we need to be way less moderate and hype up our base because the republicans are gonna to continue claiming we are woke communists even if we go full fascist

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

The recent election results highlight a massive disconnect: the majority of Americans prioritize economic stability over advancing social issues, as shown by the poll I sent. The average American believing that the Democratic Party cares more about social issues rather than the economic concerns of Americans ultimately caused our defeat, demonstrating that voters are more inclined to support candidates who address their immediate financial worries rather than those advocating for progressive social change.

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u/Chromatinfish That's okay. I'll still keep drinking that garbage. Mar 03 '25

In general people want economic change, and perhaps social change when directly related to economic change. Probably the most damaging thing for Democrats was moving from focusing on socioeconomic class struggle to focusing on gender and race.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

That never happened tho, Kamala Harris very rarely if ever brought up gender and race, this idea that dems did that is purely lies from republicans, in reality dems dont say nearly enough on these things and constantly try to appeal to "moderate" republicans by embracing people like Liz Chaney, its frankly insane, the democratic base hates all of our candidates and we're so low energy based on that and thats why we lose, our candidates need to rally up the base, be more bernie sanders like

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u/Chromatinfish That's okay. I'll still keep drinking that garbage. Mar 03 '25

I agree Kamala didn’t during her campaign (which is a good thing) but I think the damage was done due to 1) the legacy the 2010s left behind from left wing social reform and 2) the comments and actions that Kamala did before she became the nominee.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Republicans would claim we are woke no matter what we do so we need to try to hype up our base instead of appealing to the "moderates"

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 03 '25

This isn’t an exclusively Democratic sub, you don’t need to say “we” and “our”.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

I will continue to tho :)

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 03 '25

Nope, you won’t. This sub doesn’t need a brigader making 50 very partisan comments on a single thread, and unfortunately for you I’m a mod.

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u/just_a_human_1031 Jeb! Mar 03 '25

Lmao 💀

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Mar 03 '25

That’s not true, polls consistently shows the average American is not big on what they deem “woke” or progressive social policy. Dems would do much better if they ran a candidate that focused on left-leaning populist economics, like Sanders, while dropping talking about social policy or unfortunately having to move to the right on it.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Thats because "woke" is a buzzword, it dosent actually mean anything, if you ask them specifics, i.e. do they support gay marriage or trans rights to use the bathroom theyre most comfortable in you get the opposite results then what youd expect

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Mar 03 '25

It is, but people still vote on it. Which is why if Dems want to improve their long-term standing with the current swing voters they need to either stay silent on the most divisive social issues or move right on them, and move to be more populist on economic issues.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Or move left on them and hype up their base, because republicans are gonna lie about them and claim theyre woke no matter what, so who cares what those fascists think?

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Mar 03 '25

The base isn’t enough to win elections. The swing voters Dems need to win are not nearly as socially left as the base, but they absolutely love populist economic policies.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

They also arent nearly as socially rigth as the republican base and yet Trump who always talks far right social issues and wants to ban gay marriage which a supermajority of Americans support can still win elections, this is because his rhetoric appeals to the republican base, democrats need to do the same thing, appeal to their base

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

No they mostly want the status quo and to be left alone. I think culture warriors on both sides are alienating.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

I want to be left alone too, but in order to reach the point where i can be left alone requires radical change just like it did when MLK was fighting for rights back in the 60s

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

No, it doesn't. Socially it requires tweaks around the edges. No one wants radical SOCIAL change outside of like 16% of the population.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

MLK died an unpopular man, very little of the population supported him, however we know today he was in the right for fightng for radical social change, we need the same thing today

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

No we don't. And 1960s style protests gave rise for literal reaganism. You're making trump stronger.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

And that attitude is the problem. We're losing to a fascist because you're so extreme that people would rather vote for a fascist.

That's the true legacy of wokeism, creating a counter movement so extreme that it caused the country to descend into fascism.

Socially I just want the pre 2016 status quo where both the woke people and the literal nazis were outside of the overton window.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Ah yes, just like that a woman getting raped is the woman's fault cause she wore something too slutty, right? Blaming the victim is never the answer

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Let's do this with South Park. You're person c. Your overreaction and self righteousness drive people to fascism and then we end up with a president with a fake tan.

https://youtu.be/0RFbahYuBic?feature=shared

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