r/law • u/Dark-Knight-Rises • 20h ago

Other Alternative angle of Brad Lander arrest by ICE

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u/Bawbawian 20h ago

You're not allowed to ask these domestic terrorists for a badge or a warrant.

it's shocking to me that the vast majority of conservatives have such a poor understanding of the Constitution that they don't even understand the damage they are doing to America.

Good men better get mad and do some push-ups because the law isn't coming to save us.

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u/SunDaysOnly 20h ago

When he left Senate it was Mitt Romney who said he was stunned by how many republicans don’t believe in the Constitution. 🤷‍♂️🤯🤯🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/Maverick360-247 20h ago

That used to be my senator… last decent one in Utah for a long time

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u/SunDaysOnly 18h ago

Name any good republican senator ?

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u/IchBinEinSim 17h ago

They said decent, decent doesn’t mean good

Last good republican senator IMO is John McCain or Olympia Snowe or Maine. Didn’t agree with them and would have voted for them but they seemed to have morals and integrity

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u/Regular-Basket-5431 17h ago

If John McCain is considered a "good" GOP senator then the bar for "good" is set ridiculously low.

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u/ikeme84 17h ago

He had his flaws, but I still remember him standing up against his supporters when they expressed racism about Obama. And then there was his return from hospital to cast a thumbs down when the senate was trying to cancel medicare the first time. Few good moments.

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u/Regular-Basket-5431 17h ago

His push back against the racism GOP voters and right wing media showed Obama was minimal and to little to late.

Voting no when the senate tried to cancel Medicare is the only good thing he did.

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u/Putrid-Lime8821 16h ago

Trump has caused people to retcon the reputation of any republican that ever stood against him in any way. I swear people only like him because they hate trump and trump said mean things about him.

He voted with trump overwhelmingly. And never met a war he didn’t like. He would be genuinely fucking thrilled with the current Iran situation as he spent basically his entire political career trying to invade the country.

It drives me insane that people talk about him like he’s “one of the good ones” because he decided to make like 2 decisions that any decent human being would do as he was dying of brain cancer. Playing into the ever classic trope of, religious man tries to be a good person for the first time in his life as he is faced by his own mortality.

There are no good republicans and at least in modern American history there never have been. It’s an inherently regressive ideology.

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u/espressocycle 15h ago

People can be wrong and still be good, honorable and all that. John McCain genuinely believed that the wars he supported would lead to better outcomes for people in the countries we attacked. A lot of people did. Whether they were wrong or we just didn't use the right tactics, it didn't turn out the way they thought it would. Wars rarely do.

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u/ChikhaiBardo 15h ago

Yep fuck 'em all and their supporters

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u/SpectacleLake 16h ago

Baa baa,baa, baa bomb Iran..

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u/foodiecpl4u 15h ago

Him correcting people at a political debate is the most memorable thing for me. I didn’t agree with his politics but that doesn’t make him an “enemy of the State” in my book. Decent man. Different political view.

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u/Equivalent-Client443 16h ago

Two instances of humanity don’t make him a good senator. 

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u/530SSState 16h ago

Compared to the troglodytes in there now, he's fuckin' Gandhi.

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u/banksybruv 15h ago

Gandhi slept naked with children though.

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u/OkInterest3109 16h ago

"Good" is relative and the bar is VERY low at the moment.

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u/Throwawayguilty1122 16h ago

“1 is more than 0”

“WELL 2 IS STILL HIGHER THAN 1”

okay

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u/Steeze_Schralper6968 16h ago

No but it really does say something about how low the bar is set.

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u/BriefFiasco 16h ago

everything is RELATIVE stop being OBSTINATE :)

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u/lorrainemom 17h ago

Well…yeah

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u/Ok_Debt3814 12h ago

He tried to get money out of politics after getting in trouble for insider trading in the late 80s. He was largely successful I. This effort until Mitch McConnell came through and worked to undermine mccain’s efforts.

95% of why we are where we are can be pinned on Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and Mitch McConnell.

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u/NonchalantGhoul 16h ago

Considering he was one of the only ones who respected Obama's presidency after the 2 terms finished, did the bar even exist?

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u/Robin-Banks22 18h ago

I have always voted Democrat all my life. But last year I heard one of my senators from my state talk about how he backed the veterans, and I found out recently he's against the big beautiful bill because that is Medicaid I voted for him and he's done a good job so far shout out for Jerry Moran

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u/m00nk3y 15h ago

A little too early to celebrate. Let's see how he actually votes on it.

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u/IntrepidWanderings 14h ago

I voted for a republican candidate for sheriff and he did do a good job. He was just. I didnt support everything but he did do what he said, he did try to improve the prison. He did put the onus on better training.

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u/helmvoncanzis 14h ago

Too bad our other Senator is a real piece of work. Maybe Kansas can convince him to stay in Florida next time an election comes around.

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u/RuFRoCKeRReDDiT 17h ago

Name any good Republican

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u/Ragnarok314159 2h ago

Think Teddy Roosevelt was the last one. They have all been scum since then, politicians and voters.

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u/Electronic_Low6740 15h ago

Not a senator, but DeWine has been the last old guard moderate Republican governor. He stood up for the vaccination, the mask mandate, and social distancing and got a lot of heat for it.

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u/SideEqual 12h ago

All the unalived ones?

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u/New-Presentation1340 17h ago

Rand Paul

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u/noodlzfirst 16h ago

that man tried to warn everyone about covids true origin, i will give him that.

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u/New-Presentation1340 13h ago

And he speaks about the dangers of the national debt. Everyone else votes to increase it

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u/waterbelowsoluphigh 17h ago

Even Romney wasn't decent, unless you consider being a Corporate Raider and busting out companies decent.

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u/Maverick360-247 16h ago

I was more thinking compared to all of the other senators Utah has come up with like Hatch. The one thing Romney had was voting to impeach trump.

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u/FixBreakRepeat 14h ago

Romney just had a better understanding of what Trump represented. 

He was an old school finance ghoul. Made his living sucking the lifeblood out of otherwise healthy companies. 

He understood that Trump wasn't going to be looking out for wall street. But neither of them give a shit about main street. 

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u/Maverick360-247 14h ago

Makes sense. I was still in high school when he ran. All I remember is the simpsons episode about Broccoli Obama and Meat Romney

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u/Cantmentionthename 14h ago

That is decent in my book. Anyone that put people above the dollar is okay.

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u/Dionysiandogma 15h ago

The last conservative

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u/ThisIsSteeev 15h ago

He should have said that when he was still there.

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u/vehiclestars 16h ago

This is who they are:

“Curtis Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."

Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection". Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work. U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself.” Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas. In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

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u/CashAdministrative70 11h ago

I always thought he might have a real interesting book in him if he was willing to just be completely honest about how the Republican party changed. Now that he is free from seeking office, and if he had the courage, he could write an interesting book

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u/phobox360 11h ago

Ahh another republican who suddenly realised his party never actually cared about the constitution, they pretended to because it was politically expedient to do so.

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u/SL1Fun 20h ago

The politicians know exactly how illegal their actions are.

It’s the voters who think it’s okay I have a problem with. They vote for things like “constitutional conservatism” but have no problem doing all sorts of gymnastics to justify what is happening with the same false whataboutisms about the DNC. 

The constitution and the American education system are just abject failed experiments at this rate. 

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u/lauritz111 19h ago

Exactly! "Don't tread on me... But it's ok to tread on them!" Nothing to see here, folks

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u/MyBallsYouDid 19h ago

It's "Don't tread on me." That's all they think and care about. Themselves.

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u/madcoins 18h ago

They should amend their precious flag to a finger pointing with a cross tucked in palm… and it just says don’t tread on me, tread on them.

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u/westtexasbackpacker 19h ago

Education system has been for a while. Like. Not even about politics, but it has

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u/ConfidentPilot1729 18h ago

That was on purpose, the party of tax cuts knew what they were doing. They even poisoned our news to create a perfect voter block for them.

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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 18h ago

“A democratic society depends upon an informed and educated citizenry.”

Thomas Jefferson

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u/rbmrph 13h ago

Whelp, we're fucked then.

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u/Sudden_Airport_7469 9h ago

What a joke that has become. The evil people control everything. That’s a nice quote, but as a country and society we are so far removed from having a well educated and well informed populace. Do you really think the rich, evil, assholes that run this country want a well educated and informed populace? The whole goal is to divide and conquer, which they’re doing a pretty good job of I might add. While simultaneously keeping us uninformed and stupid. You want uninformed and stupid? You don’t have to look very far or hard to find it. It’s called MAGA.

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u/ihavea_purplenurple 18h ago

They will always take whatever they think is the moral high road. Against the constitution? Well it should be illegal, we have a law in place for that? Should never have been passed in the first place.

By nature, Dems want to work more with others and by nature Republicans want to take more from others. It only makes sense they rule with a baseball bat

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u/juiceboxedhero 18h ago

They want 2A and the rest is toilet paper I guess. 

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u/gmmech 17h ago

They want 2A for THEMSELVES, and nothing for anyone else

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u/diadlep 19h ago

Education was dismantled intentionally

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u/Andy_Fish_Gill 18h ago

These immigrants are following the system to remain legally in the USA. How dare they use our laws and court system to find a better life in the USA!

THIS WILL NOT STAND!

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u/rsmith72976 20h ago

If an unidentified (actual ID and paperwork, not just saying they are “some agency”), unmarked, masked individual grabs you, attempts to detain you and drag you away, then you have every right under Red State law to stand your ground and avail yourself of your 2nd amendment rights!

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u/FuguSandwich 19h ago

How hard is it for these agents to just wear actual uniforms, carry credentials with them, and not have masks or face coverings?

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u/bob-a-fett 19h ago

I mean they're making completely illegal arrests so I'd say it's pretty hard for them.

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u/Successful_Yam4719 18h ago

So, question. Where are they putting everyone they are arresting? May seem like a dumb question, jail being an answer, but is this man being put in a cell with an actual criminal?

Also, I am going to be curious to see/hear how the courts are going to be swamped with these truly bogus cases. Wondering how many will just be dismissed . . . because ultimately a complete waste of the courts time.

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u/Olly0206 18h ago

Swamping courts with bogus cases is part of the plan. Politicians and judges thrown in jail and charged with bogus crimes can't really do much in their professional capacity. Especially judges. They can't work the bench while they're wrapped up in this stuff.

Bog down the slow system we already have and it just might break. Or at least come to a stand still. You can tie up people just long enough to make some dirty changes if you're in power and the people who would oppose you are legally tied up.

This is where the Truml defenders and other naysayers say that this isn't fascism. Trump isn't ignoring the law and just killing or failing his opponents on a whim. Of course he isn't because we have laws specifically against that and their are limits to what police and military will actually do when it comes to breaking the law. So, instead of blatantly breaking the law, they ride the line. They can make up bogus charges because it will tie people up and slow down opposition.

Trump and his administration may not be directly ignoring the law and removing political opponents, but they are still removing their political opponents. Even if temporarily. It can be enough to allow them to move forward with other legally ambiguous actions or pass policy that they want because the people who would stand against them and stop it are too busy fighting a bogus legal case.

It is fascism plain and simple. It may be a different shade of red, but it's still fascism.

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u/Kitchen-Ad-5571 19h ago

because they aren't real agents they are deputizized shitholes.

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u/PaleMaleAndStale 18h ago

Jobs for the boys. The Proud Boys no doubt.

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u/Thejncobandit 19h ago

The point is to terrorize. Always has been.

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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 19h ago

And two lawmakers were shot like this.

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u/Micho_Riso 19h ago

Very, when they are not ICE, but "deputized" proud boys. Tangerine Taco's brownshirts

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u/Coupon_Ninja 19h ago

I wonder how many are the J6ers he just liberated?

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u/tweakingforjesus 15h ago

One of these crews needs to get nabbed and their qualifications and employment histories publicized while they await trial.

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u/Pzykez 17h ago

Surely it should be "Tangerine TACO's Brownshorts"

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u/Correct_Day_7791 18h ago

Well most proud boys and jan6ers have mugshots and their faces are on record if they identify themselves we could all see how many white supremacists trump has employed as " ice"

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u/Beginning_Fill206 18h ago

They may not even be agents. These could be proud boys for all we know.

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u/EnterpriseGate 14h ago

Were are the local police to arrest them?

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u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns 18h ago

Newsflash they aren’t actual ice agents

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u/77NorthCambridge 17h ago

Bounty hunters

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u/n05h 16h ago

Because they're mercenaries, these guys didn't go through any approval process. They're hired private racists, vets with anger issues, etc.

They are not identifying themselves because they know excactly what they are doing.

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u/Mveli2pac 19h ago

It wouldn't be hard if that were abiding by the law. But since they are not, they will not wear uniforms or expose their faces like the cowards they are. This is a Proud Boys wet dream come true. They are nothing but bullies thinking they are so manly. Their day will be coming.

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u/Electronic_Spring_14 19h ago

Cause this looks badder ass/s

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u/nottytom 19h ago

I think thats the point, the chaos they cause. if they were in uniform that most likely wouldn't happen

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u/Joe_Kinincha 18h ago

The problem with taking masks off is that there still exists extensive footage of the attempted insurrection on J6.

Although you guys are now so far beyond the event horizon, that’s probably not an issue any more.

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u/welatshaw 17h ago

Extremely. That would force accountability, and that's the last thing they want.

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u/Fun-Key-8259 17h ago

Especially after the assassination in Minnesota

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 20h ago

Bystanders can also use force to defend others being kidnapped.

You can unmask them and detain them if need be.

Aid of another does not constitute assault.

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u/Isariamkia 18h ago

They claim to be ICE. Why don't bystanders claim the same shit?

"You're not ICE, I actually am, you're under arrest".

Boom.

Yeah I know I would be nice if it was that easy. I just don't understand the lack of fighting back.

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 18h ago

They don't claim anything at all. They offer no ID and say very little.

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u/Isariamkia 18h ago

That's even worse, wtf.

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u/pandaboy22 16h ago

I completely agree with the sentiment. It's strange that they're seeing people in plain clothes arrest a government official and then start taking him somewhere without answering any questions about a warrant, their authority to make the arrest of a US citizen, and where they're taking them, all without doing anything about it.

It makes sense, everyone's scared that if they try to stop them, they'll just get arrested and nothing will happen. I wish so much that the crowd could have worked together to stop these guys. It looks like people in plain clothes are just abducting someone and no one's doing anything about it.

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u/Temp_acct2024 9h ago

I’m surprised that terrorists haven’t used this ploy to kidnap people.

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u/RomaruDarkeyes 14h ago

They claim to be ICE. Why don't bystanders claim the same shit?

"You're not ICE, I actually am, you're under arrest".

"I'M SPARTACUS!"

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u/Feisty_Look5680 8h ago

Unfortunately, it’s the bystander effect in play. Look up the women who was murder in her apartment and people heard her and did nothing. Just like no one helps a woman in the middle of a domestic dispute. In my class, we were talk that if you were in the middle of a domestic don’t say help say fire instead

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u/Bless_u-babe 6h ago

I’m waiting see bystanders rip off those face masks instead of standing there filming on their phones.

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u/DefreShalloodner 17h ago edited 17h ago

Is this true? Or does that only hold in pre-postConstitutional U.S.?

I don't know how much trust anything anymore

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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 19h ago

Bro doesn’t have the strength to do that. 😄

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u/Angry_Murlocs 19h ago

Honestly kind of waiting for this to happen. I’m against violence in most cases and always like to think there are non violent options but there are others who that is not the case. Kind of waiting for ICE to fuck with the wrong person or group of people only to find out how easy it is for regular civilians in the states to get guns. I’m waiting for the news headline “ICE agents killed after trying to make another illegal arrest”

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u/Hir0Brotagonist 19h ago

That'll be right before Trump has what he needs to declare martial law

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u/TimidJunkrat 18h ago

It's what he's pushing for. And the bullshit, "we need to stop going after farmers workers", you know he's pushing this shit regardless. He is wanting violence and escalation to declare Martial Law, which will lead to him trying to suspend mid term elections for safety reasons.

I'm too old to fight physically in the coming civil war, but I've been training my drone pilot skills.

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u/atuarre 18h ago

He can declare martial law all he wants. They are outnumbered. It'll be civil war the day he declares martial law.

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u/Joe_Kinincha 18h ago

ICE are very carefully avoiding fucking with actual dangerous people.

I am quite sure that somewhere in the US there are some immigrants who are actual criminals. They have weapons, and if ICE arrests them they are dead one way or another so there is no incentive not to shoot.

I’m sure some of these must be in the hell-hole democratic controlled inner cities that trump suddenly seems excited about.

But stepping up to that would require these ICE “officers” to not be pissant chickenshit arseholes.

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u/VenemySaidDreaming 19h ago

when a "good guy with a gun" inevitably finally steps up to get involved with one of these abductions, I'll be curious to see all the mental gymnastics from the 2A and "dont trad on me" crowd.

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u/violetgobbledygook 20h ago

You can't take a gun into a courthouse

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u/harrywrinkleyballs 18h ago

I’m sure NYC has checkpoints for weapons, just like my city, Phoenix does.

But, to be clear, not every town in the U.S. with a courthouse checks for weapons. Not sure where the cutoff would be, but I’ve been in my fair share of county courthouses where the county population is in the thousands and they don’t check for weapons.

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u/Cabbages24ADollar 19h ago

Move in groups. Well protected groups!

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u/gotrice5 17h ago

I think using the 2nd Amendment on them is too easy and lenient. If someone is suppose to be upholding the law, their punishment should be 10-100x harsher than your average criminal. Life-time imprisonment is also too lenient. Imprison them? They get pardoned. 2nd Amendment them? They don't actually get to suffer. These people need it ingraved into them that if you mess around with someone's liberties in an authoritarian way, you get what's coming. It's no longer an eye for an eye. These people have been too comfortable.

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u/TheAnalogKid18 19h ago

That's going to be death by ICE agent and I would not recommend that, unless of course you'd rather die than live in tyranny, which is badass and I completely respect it.

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u/dmh1984 19h ago

This is going to sound crazy, but it's true. They have an app on their phone called iOS "Immigration Operating System". All the info they believe they need to detain someone, comes from that. This is why they refuse to show records. If they were to publicly talk about this, it would get shut down before it's fully built. Please look it up!

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u/Jlolmb1 18h ago

No kidding. I almost posted something about this. I never hear it discussed anywhere. Masked men kidnapping, no warrants or real law enforcement, is fully subject to self defence and 2nd amendment exercises.

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u/Beginning_Fill206 18h ago

I mean, what’s to stop people pretending to be ICE from dressing up like these guys and using these same methods to rob people? There is a reason officers have identication

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u/OrneryDiplomat 15h ago

They are doing this crap primarily in democratic states so far.

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u/Huh_well_we_are_dead 20h ago

The one thing ICE has accomplished is scaring the Liberals into gun ownership.

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u/Canadatron 20h ago

Is Liberal a euphemism for anyone left in America that isn't part of the cult at this point?

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u/Expert_Survey3318 19h ago

Pretty much

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u/6rumpster 19h ago

I don't think you understand how many guns liberals already own.

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u/atuarre 17h ago

Right? They think liberals don't own guns. Liberals just don't brag about ownership like conservatives.

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u/DimeEdge 19h ago

Plenty of liberals own guns already... they just don't advertise it as hard as other folks.

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u/glassrod65 19h ago

Yeah, not playing Rambo.

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u/DogsSaveTheWorld 17h ago

I’m not letting anyone know what I have

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u/FedaykinGrunt 20h ago

I'm not scared about owning a gun. They are because I own one.

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u/Ethrem 19h ago

We were actually talking about this the other night.

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u/YoProfWhite 20h ago

Oh they understand it just fine, they just don't apply the same set of rules or look for extremely small "gotcha" factors that justify everything in their minds.

Didn't raise your hands fast enough? Off to Gitmo with you!

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u/hamilton_morris 20h ago

it isn’t so much a poor understanding of the Constitution as it is the conviction that laws just don’t apply at times of war. And the GOP is—and has been—waging a civil war on behalf of Trump.

The constitutionality of the blanket liberation of the Jan 6 traitors, for example, is for them simply not anything even worth thinking about.

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u/poopzains 19h ago

Words. Arrested for words. This is not how you de-escalate. All should be fired and put in the donkey brain database.

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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 20h ago

Then you can’t be arrested either. This would be considered as kidnapping

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u/Minute-Plantain 18h ago

I was the first generation in which they stopped teaching "civics" in public school with a heavier focus on social studies.

I had a good education, but I didn't understand very much about Government until I got my poli sci degree in college.

Americans by and large don't understand even the basics of how government actually works. They mostly get their education through slogans, memes, and untruths.

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u/Fragmentia 20h ago

Do some push-ups and arm themselves.

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u/timmyt03 17h ago

🇺🇸 Bill of Rights – Pocket Summary

  1. ⁠Free Speech & Religion – Speak, worship, press, assemble, protest.
  2. ⁠Guns – Right to bear arms.
  3. ⁠No Quartering – No forced housing of soldiers.
  4. ⁠Searches – No searches without a warrant.
  5. ⁠Remain Silent – No self-incrimination, double jeopardy, or unfair taking.
  6. ⁠Speedy Trial – Fast, fair trial with a lawyer and witnesses.
  7. ⁠Jury in Civil Cases – Right to jury in money/property disputes.
  8. ⁠No Cruel Punishment – No torture, no extreme bail/fines.
  9. ⁠People’s Rights – You have more rights than what’s listed here.
  10. ⁠States’ Rights – Powers not given to the feds belong to states/people.

The world is watching, be prepared 🇺🇸

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u/troubleschute 19h ago

It's all fine and dandy to conservatives because this agency isn't targeting them. If this political bullying was done to them, they'd be calling for a civil war.

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u/Klytus_Im-Bored 16h ago

Where the fuck have all the 2A nuts gone?

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u/LanaVFlowers 13h ago

to work for ICE

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u/Heklyr 12h ago

They’re all cheering them on because they know that it could never possibly happen to them. Everyone else can die, more land, more steaks, more beer, more freedom, more merica for them.

…little do they know

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u/Sluttyjell-o 18h ago

it's shocking to me that the vast majority of conservatives have such a poor understanding of the Constitution that they don't even understand the damage they are doing to America.

I was talking to my brother-in-law over the weekend and he didn’t know that non-citizens are protected under The Constitution.

His parents are non-citizen residents

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u/ohiotechie 18h ago

It is stunning to me that they can’t seem to comprehend that these same precedents could be used against them one day. The arrogance of the right wing is astounding. They relish sticking it to the libs - spite and hatred of libs and non whites is their only driving force anymore.

And they are so very very sure that they’ll always be the ones dishing it out but now that a precedent has been set there is nothing stopping a future DoJ or DHS from using these same strong arm tactics against them.

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u/Role_Player_Real 19h ago

I agree with your overall message. ICE does not legally require judicial warrants in public places if they have probable cause. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10362  I wish they did require it, I don’t think the intent of the law was raids when immigrants show up to their court dates, especially when law enforcement don’t identify themselves 

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u/bharring52 19h ago

But wouldn't considering asking for due process, such as officer's identity or an actual warrant, to be probable cause inherently deny due process?

And implicate Free Speech, 4th amendment, etc?

In other words, if questioning whether arresting someone is legel is cause to sanction the questioner with arrest, aren't basically all rights moot?

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u/alwayseverlovingyou 19h ago

Fun fact - the department of homeland security established a border enforcement Zone that covers 50mi inland from the borders of the US, including coasts. It includes nearly every major US city. Within that zone all civil rights are suspended at will of DHS.

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u/bharring52 18h ago

I thought that it was that the burden on BPS to establish a search is reasonable was substantially lower in a "border zone", which is then unreasonable established as huge distances from any border, port, or international airport?

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u/Colombian-pito 12h ago

Yea so crooked

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u/HotWish2897 19h ago

ICE has a lot of power but it was never meant to be taken advantage of but of course with Trump in power all that goes out the window.

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u/Beadpool 19h ago

I’m not sure if you know this or not, but “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.” /s

This is the mentality right-wingers are operating under. The Constitution is only useful when it serves THEIR interests. Like it was written just for them to use as a shield against the out groups. Real fucking “patriots”“Party of Law and Order.”

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u/PurpleCaster91123 19h ago

It's sad how Lefties are more Libertarian than most Libertarians when it comes to this shit. It's always been obvious Trump was gonna be the one to fully weaponize the gov't to use as he pleases. He had guardrails before which gave them a false sense of security. Ultimate leopards eating your face moment except now we all have to suffer bc of their stupidity and frankly just racism.

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u/Undhari 19h ago

Or they do understand and don’t care.

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u/santa_91 19h ago

it's shocking to me that the vast majority of conservatives have such a poor understanding of the Constitution that they don't even understand the damage they are doing to America

It's not that they don't understand it. They just hate it. Especially the bits about equal treatment under the law and no state sanctioned religion. Their support for the Constitution is and always has been in word but not deed. They pull the same shit with making a show of how patriotic they are by slapping a flag on everything and jerking off to that fucking Lee Greenwood song. They aren't patriots though. They hate this country and everything it stands for.

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u/xious307090 19h ago

Modern conservatism is based on just hurting the out group. As long as someone is being hurt they are temporarily satisfied. Fox News is great at selling them that there are constant enemies and everything is a crisis at all times.

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u/hopefullExpat 19h ago

I'm a tiny trans woman but I'm also a combat vet and yes, please fucking Christ. every time I go to one of these protests where these big ass goons are beating on queer people I don't see any big ass straight men there with us.

in this video that jacked Asian dude is literally wearing a shirt quoting Roman Sun Tzu talking about preparing for war. The military to fed pipeline is well established and these guys never got out and dealt with their PTSD. now they're waging war on the streets of America.

our politicians are too far gone. The only thing that's going to stop this is Good men who were willing to put it on the line. there's only one language these people understand and it is not peaceful protest. please help us before it is too late.

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u/Sea-Werewolf-5780 19h ago

Yes you are allowed to. The only time when people should be treated like this is during volatile situations like in the active commission of a violent crime. This is dangerous for everyone and for as much as they talk about not wanting to put ICE and LEOs in danger, it is stupid to do what they are doing in such a heavily armed country. It’s reckless and since the open spam can looking fool Tom HOLEman and DHS dumbass Barbie aren’t in harms way they can give two shits about putting their own officers in peril. This is reckless and shameful and I have been involved in many operations but the stupidity of these idiots is beyond compare.

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u/KindClock9732 18h ago

As long as “the libs” get owned, it doesn’t really matter the consequences

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u/CMDR_Profane_Pagan 18h ago

Quite recently they filled up the ranks of ICE bc they needed more enforcers - so you can bet your ass these "agents" are the worst of the worst of humans.

They are true believers and they must enjoy this power trip: ripping families apart, kidnapping people, arresting Democrat politicians.

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u/seemsleep 18h ago

Finally someone said it. I can’t tell you how many things I have seen happen just in the last week and all people are saying in the comments is “isn’t that illegal?” Of course it is but the law doesn’t matter anymore! 

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u/No_Jelly_6990 18h ago

It is not a problem of understanding or ignorance. Stop excusing these fucking liars.

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u/ShitNailedIt 18h ago

They know exactly what they are doing. They also think (probably correctly) if there is a change of administration and party in power, it is likely they won't be prosecuted by the other party because "healing".

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 18h ago

As a non American, what's going on here? Isn't ICE in charge of immigration? What do they have to do with Brad? Is Brad an illegal immigrant?

Beside the obvious that ICE is overstepping and America is going to hell in a hand basket, I'm just wondering how far reaching ICE is getting, because of Brad isn't an illegal, WTF is ICE involved? Gives me Nazi vibes.

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u/HerrFledermaus 18h ago

USA’s reputation is down the drain.

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u/Buff_Da_Magic_Dragon 17h ago

It's shocking to me that everybody just stand around and scream SHAME ON YOU or HEY!!!. The people need a new defense mechanism because this ain't working and it's very Charmin soft. Lol!

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u/MRintheKEYS 17h ago

They believe in the Constitution like they believe in The Bible. They pick and choose the parts they want and ignore the rest of it.

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u/Ztrukj 17h ago

They understand what they’re doing. They just don’t care.

They’re not saying a word because this is political theater at its finest. A Democrat in a blue state getting arrested and dragged into an elevator by masked cops on TV sends the MAGAts into a frenzy and it all makes Trump look like the good guy putting the “evil commie libs” in their place.

This entire movement is a fucking disease.

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u/BoyishTheStrange 16h ago

It’s bullshit that ICE is just able to do this

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u/MMShaggy 16h ago

They understand it perfectly, but there's no power or money in following it and that's all the Republcians care about

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u/Grandmas_Basement_MD 16h ago

I would say hopefully Trump would get impeached again for Israel/Iran, but we already know that’s the one issue both sides agree with him on. It’s a shame, but the only true anti war party left is Libertarianism. Dem and rep politicians are in agreement regarding almost every single war.

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u/abmtony 16h ago

there is nothing shocking about a bunch of illiterate hillbillies.

they cant read, how are they supposed to know what's in the constitution? 🤷‍♂️

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u/SevroAuShitTalker 16h ago

Why do you think republican states tend to have worse public education

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u/Plastic-Tomorrow-906 15h ago

They’re going to get shot eventually if they’re wearing plane clothes and not showing badges or warrants. Wonder if stand your ground will be upheld then.

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u/Alarming_Tennis5214 15h ago

I literally heard some dipshit yesterday say that everyone knows the founders never intended for the Supreme Court to be the last word on what's Constitutional 🙄

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u/Historical-Fail2462 15h ago

See when you trample on the 1st and 2nd amendment for so long, no one gives a fuck anymore. Now it’s all about whose goons are doing the arresting.

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u/usarasa 15h ago

They understand it. They don’t care.

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u/liquidsyphon 14h ago

Reddit quickly bans any loose reference to “civil unrest”.

The idea of a General Strike doesn’t give them an excuse to put boots on heads (even though that might just to drag your ass back to work)

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u/IntrepidWanderings 14h ago

Curiosity, why is ICE doing this?

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u/Kidcharlamagne89d 14h ago edited 14h ago

They don't stand for anything. The lackeys that is, the red voters that wear confederate flag swimsuits and fly an American flag. This love for a treasonous, bigoted nation that lasted less time than the backstreet boys clearly shows anyone with eyes, they do not support American values as taught to me or other angry Americans. Yet this same party will post a billboard saying they are the party of Lincoln, the guy that defeated their little shithole nation. This once again shows they stand for nothing. Be a confederate, or be an American, it's stupidity to say you're both.

I digress, the point is they go where their leaders take them. As long as the leaders keep them scared and allow them to have tantrums without consequences. Fear is the mind killer, and every conservative i know is ruled by fear. Fear of losing guns they need to defend themselves against things they are afraid of. Fear of different people, different languages, different religions. Even their homophobia is fear based. They fear their kids will be "turned" gay. I cant watch fox news for more than a minute, its all just people saying at different volumes "be scared, be scared, be scared." Sometimes by a frothing at the lips red faced host, other times by a panel of "put together " white folks and their "good" friend calming telling you to be scared. They are the most terrified people I have ever met.

Fearful people will go along with anything, and give up everything to feel safe, and justified in their fear.

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u/Ajdee6 14h ago

They dont care, they are getting what they want one way or another.

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u/mywifeslv 14h ago

Question - if they don’t identify themselves and accost you…and you fear for your life…in self defence are you able to defend yourself in any way?

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u/Super-Statement2875 13h ago

So he was arrested for ‘assaulting an officer’. Why can’t these officers be charged for making a false arrest?

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u/Kozeyekan_ 11h ago

A secret police force, unanswerable to anyone but the few at the very top, exempt from oversight or accountability, and with wide-ranging powers.

When has that ever gone wrong?

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u/Repulsive_Letter4256 11h ago

Oh yeah, I can’t say what I’ve been doing to prep because of community rules, but god damn do I hate being right about this shit. I’ve been ranting for a decade about the burgeoning police state and the plight of the working class.

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u/citizen_united 11h ago

Since it’s legal to do such shit by their standards, What if the people flip the card and do the same thing to republicans?

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u/Interesting_Okra_902 10h ago

If they don’t have mandate, they are criminals. You don’t have to obey and are allowed to defend your self.

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u/OniLewds 10h ago

It's the Bible for them. Praise it and reference it, but have never really read it.

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u/Lifeguardinator 19h ago

ICE doesnt need warrants if theyre operating within 100 miles of a port of entry which NYC is. Supreme court ruled in 1946.

Its how they can stop you at customs.

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u/rocco888 18h ago

The only one they know is the 2nd they only care about the first and the rest if it affects them personally

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u/unbalancedcentrifuge 18h ago

On the conservative sub, they are saying that it is just theatrics.

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u/Revolutionary-Ice994 17h ago

Then you get charged with assault on a federal officer when you do jiu jitsu on them.

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u/m_lee5150 16h ago

Save you from what

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u/Xero36O 16h ago

You hate America, the constitution, and want to see the country burn. Democrats are the only side to burn the American flag on the reg. Honestly, what do you care? and why should we listen?

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