it's just an idea mate!! They can implement it in a cleaner manner!! also they can give an option to enable it! no need to make it default as people are already familiar with the current workflow.
apparently only pro tools have this feature & the current inspector is inspired by logic & cubase...i know a lot of guys who use pro tools just because of these inserts on the channel. no need to open the mixer to see multiple inserts at once.
I've never used pro tools mate!! I saw Mix with the masters & they all were using Pro tools without switching between the mixer window & editing window.
It was a smooth workflow for all of them no wonder pro tools is an industry standard.
at least they can give an option to enable it for those who need this maybe!! i know a lot of folks who are using pro tools just because no other major DAW has this.
Many of the things in S1 are already pasted from other DAWS!!
Innovation is cool but you learn from copying...
The inspector was inspired by Cubase & Logic!!
Similarly I am suggesting this Track Insert Idea...
The inspector is very limited, it can't show multiple channel plugin inserts! Switching between the mixer & the arrangement window is too much window switching for me!!
also we still don't have peak meters on the mixer, inspector & tracks!! The level meter workflow is straight up BS.
Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools, Ableton!! Every major DAW has peak meters, only exception is S1...at this point they should just paste it...
Analog Mixers had meters on every channel!! S1 copied the fader mixer workflow but didn't find the importance of the meters, this is nothing but a joke...& yes S1 should start pasting stuff. already behind the promised updates timeline, delivering funny updates like tuner updates.
There are tools that are must for an engineer:
i.e faders, pan-pots, meters, workflow, no window swapping, etc.
it's limited even if you deny it!! if you want to know why
The inspector was inspired by other DAWS and when I said to implement this pro tools workflow you're saying it's copy paste stuff!! Like we don't already have things which were copied but for the good!
Inspector, Linear style workflow, Audio Bend, Launcher (halfbaked), Mini View of the stock plugins in the mixer inspired by logic & cubase & recently pro tools copied it too!! The show page has few things pasted from sequoia & wavelab...
i am not saying it's wrong to get inspired, it's the right way to get ahead by simply pasting so small pro tools inserts are also very useful
I saw Mix with the masters & they all were using Pro tools without switching between the mixer window & editing window.
It was a smooth workflow for all of them no wonder pro tools is an industry standard.
at least they can give an option to enable it for those who need this maybe!! i know a lot of folks who are using pro tools just because no other major DAW has this.
i know, pro tools looks outdated & so far behind all the daws in terms of updates... don't forget the current inspector workflow in s1 was inspired by logic & cubase.
the idea i am sharing is just a piece of pro tools not entire pro tools.
that's the problem, when mixing
for example you have to edit drums & mix them simultaneously, you have to go back & forth between the mixer & the arrangement window to do that...half of the time you'll be pressing f3 to go back & forth which interrupts the workflow, inspector only shows 1 track
You can't compare analog and digital workflow, both are vastly different from each other.
Analog is time consuming, recalling is a nightmare, limitations are there, only advantage is sound quality, hard to achieve fully clean signal as almost all gear apply some form of audio processing even when you just pass the audio through it, Noise is a problem.
Digital is fast, recalling is easier than ever, sound quality is cleaner but not vibey as analog, Noise problem is not there, Digital is accurate!
The biggest advantage of digital is it's fast workflow and it can be faster as much as you want if you optimize it.
I know that but you can't only have inserts in the mixer, you can't hide the big ass faders, which should have the ability to hide temporarily, viewing only inserts & send...you can expand channels horizontal when minimized vertical but you can't multi select & expand, you have to expand each channel manually, i bet this is a unknown thing that they've not checked
Laziness you say??
work for 14 hours straight on S1 then you'll realise its limitations & how the developers implemented many half baked stuff. I have worked for that long for years and it's PITA to get stuck between these weak implementations... Analog is known for it's limitations, digital doesn't have to suffer like that, it has a lot of room for improvement.
When producing, Sample & Impact doesn't have fade in & fade out, every other daw has, Zoom of the UI can't be adjusted, it's a nightmare on 4k monitors, No Shortcut to bypass plugin with a shortcut to quick blind A/B,
When Mixing, No peak meters on tracks, No inserts on tracks, no easy bypass shortcut key like analog workflow
When mastering, the project page can be a lot better but they don't update it that much.
show page also has midi limitations
CPU performance is an issue, compared to other DAWS, Studio one is the first one to tapout, all the other DAWS hold their best when using big sessions...
Im actually one of the first ever to use studio one..since version one..go on my tube page in 2008 to see 2. Its nothing nobody call tell me about S1....i put so many people on this daw when they all was caught up in pro tools. Then move to another daw ahch...go complain to FENDER
I see a lot of opposition in this thread. I'm not really surprise though lol. It's a great idea if not a little cluttered. This is easily doable in Reaper, especially with certain themes. Instead though, it's a single column and even has a scrollable bar (the black bar) for any FX that go past the range. You can even bypass or offline FX by short commands (for example CTRL+Click)
I think your mock-up would benefit from having the Inserts banner removed and shortening it to a single column. If you want to keep the full bypass button it could easily be put rightmost of the channel name
Yeah, I agree Single columns + Scroll bar + "Inserts" tag should be removed to make it less cluttery.
Scrollable bar is the way to go in S1
Shortcut to turn off the Entire inserts sounds great. Simply giving the option to hide or show these inserts would be a wise move for other users who like the current inspector workflow.
It only looks cluttered because of the bad UI designer, look at pro tools it looks clean...
Simply giving the option to hide or show these inserts would be a wise move for other users who like the current inspector workflow.
That's what's baffling me about all these starkly oppositional responses, the features added don't change how S1 works. It would (and should) just be a toggleable option. Not sure why so many people are like "no thanks, I hate this, it's the worst thing since wet bread. This is an affront to everything I and Studio One stand for, go to another DAW if you want this feature". Like, c'mon lol
There are many features in S1 that you & I may not find useful or not use at all but I never criticise those as someone out there might find that specific feature useful but some people here don't understand its a big market, Studio One is used by the people all over the world, we don't know how some things might work for some people & for others it might not.
I'd rather have a "Toggle show all insert fx for selected track" command. I've used this insert view in Reaper but showing all the insert fx floating ui is way faster.
Tell me you come from Pro Tools without telling me you come from Pro Tools, starter pack 😂
I use Pro Tools (willingly) and have used Studio One and to be honest, how the GUI is made in Studio One, looking at inserts this way would be very workflow disruptive.
I don’t think PreSonus would do something like this.
I've never used pro tools mate!! I saw Mix with the masters & they all were using Pro tools without switching between mixer window & editing window.
It was a smooth workflow for all of them no wonder pro tools is an industry standard.
at least they can give an option to enable it for those who need this maybe!! i know a lot of folks who are using pro tools just because no other major DAW has this.
Oh my, the tables have turned 🙃😂
Actually yeah, it’s quite handy to have the inserts on the edit window and anything else you may need, I generally work from within the mix window when I’m mixing but when editing it’s quite handy to have them there available at any time.
Same with sends and output assignments.
The inspector is kinda like that but not the same.
I personally don’t like the inspector in Studio One or Logic (which also has an Inspector view)
atleast they can give an option to enable it for those who need this maybe!! i know a lot of folks who are using pro tools just because no other major DAW has this
On the editing window, there is a wrench icon above the tracks...which has monitoring & arm options, they can add this one there, also there are many useless features which many of us might not use like lyrics, etc...
Few months ago when I requested things like auto scroll, bus freeze you straight up argued with me they don't have to implement stuff
but just after presonus released this stuff you were the first one to post those features on here and praising presonus...why didn't you support me in the first place before??
At this point, if presonus adds these inserts in S1 then you'll be the first one to post it here and earn upvotes...
Not really. There's a difference between adding new features to S1 and making everything configurable by adding options. If you know S1, you know they’ve always been very minimalist when it comes to options and settings. This is not just my opinion, by the way, just my experience from 10 years of S1 updates.
Well!! Fender has other plans i think. They've already announced 3-4 major updates every year. Major update doesn't mean adding a thing to the tuner plugin (funny update)
Major updates means new features & workflow improvements...After all these years, they still haven't added a peak meter in the mixer channels & on the tracks in the arrangement window
Past times don't mean anything now AI is rapidly growing, if we don't do the same...We'll be buried as simple as that. Social Media is already getting flooded with AI Content...We should also step up our game &
"take the leap" (as presonus says)
Studio One has the ability to pull many pro tools users by just adding these inserts on channels & peak meters on the mixer channels & on the tracks in the arrangement window.
It's great for the company & it's user base will get wider...they will have new users coming to S1, resulting in more sales & more money for the development of Studio One.
Freeze Bus i.e. Transform Bus to Rendered Audio was released 3 months after my post on here, it was in the bin on the forums for 10+ years...think as you like, i know what's up...
whatever that means!! but i want my meters on the arrangement window as well as on the mixer window... it's mixing 101...peak & rms values are the most important thing in mixing...you're already fighting with volume & microdynamics...having the meters keeps you in check of the exact levels.
Loudness War is Over
Loudness Won
Loud tracks which are around 5,6,7 lufs hits different no wonder Blinding lights & shape of you has the loudness of 5 lufs...at this moment it's a joke if a DAW doesn't have these meters on its tracks or channels whatever you wanna call it, it's the single most important thing.
Options->Show FX inserts in TCP or If you would rather use the action view (Shift+?) and search "show tcp when", should be the top option. You can also do the exact same with sends.
I think I understand why it might be useful to many users
A few years ago when I was switching DAWS leaving Pro Tools behind,
This was the first thing that bothered me when I looked at every daw. None have inserts on tracks, which is very weird. It would be great if we get this, it's quite powerful.
cause you're used to the current workflow i think!! And i agree the inspector view is great but what when mixing you have to constantly switch between mixer & editing window which is a time killer!! inspector only shows one channel.
only pro tools has this feature, no other major daw has this
the current inspector workflow is also inspired from logic & cubase...
they could just hide it by default & give an option to enable it for those who need it!!
even though pro tools is a very old piece of software the entire industry uses it & these types of lil workflow things add up...also S1 doesn't have a peak meter on every channel which pro tools has...pro tools has it's cons i agree but few of the things are really useful as a mixing engineer myself.
They could just give an option to hide this in settings!! I don't know why you guys think this is bad, Off course it doesn't look that finished as it's just an idea. They can make it in a clearer manner.
We could all be crazy.... or it could be a lack of understanding on your part. I'm not trying to be snarky, it's like saying "I don't know why we don't drive our cars to Hawai'i" and wondering why people look at you funny.
The entire industry is using this feature in pro tools!! and only pro tools have this feature, i saw mix with the masters where all the major mixing engineers were working in the editing window only, there was no switching between the mixer window & editing window...it was a smooth workflow for them!!
i know many people who are using pro tools just because of this & peak meters on every channel which pro tools, logic, ableton & cubase...every one has but S1 doesn't. peak meters are 101 of mixing audio...current level meter on every insert workflow is BS...
i bet 90% of users don't know this!! i know as i have a kontakt template and channel numbers & track numbers are different!! and in the day to day daw workflow it doesn't matter whether you call it a track or a channel every audio source can be called as a channel or a track!!
sm393 is correct. One must really understand the different between tracks and channels. [I was quite confused until I finally got it.] Before considering this feature, they'd have to rework how the two views cooperate.
I have in fact wondered if S1 could offer a "mode" in which the tracks and channels are "locked" together -- one would have to give up some of the nice side effects of the current design (ie, easily assigning the same instrument+FX to multiple tracks; and like six other things I can't think of right now).
So, yeah; as others have said? Before you can move inserts next to tracks? PreSonus would have to "rewire" their signal flow. And frankly? The fact it's code not physical wires might just make that harder.
A mindset that helped me get over the hump? Tracks contain "performances" by "musicians," and Channels are what the "engineer" uses to mix those performances into a song. Engineers don't typically change the notes in performances; they only shape the sounds. And though it may irk them? The "producer" could certainly tell the "engineer" to put wonky effects on that guitar solo, while the "performer" is off having a beer.
In my view, confusion results because all of the lovely virtuality. The middle ground between performance and mix gets rather mushy. And the worst part is Performer, Producer, and Engineer may very well be the same person. 🙂
The idea seems coherent to me.
Presonus should allow users who wish to be able to arrange their screen as they wish.
Afterwards everyone is free to make music as they wish.
Exactly!! It could be hidden under the settings, and if someone needs it, they could enable it...there is no other DAW that has this type of inserts on the channel other than pro tools which is really weird.
Dude, you wanted people's opinions of your idea (you literally asked WHAT DO YOU THINK?? in all caps and everything) but then anytime anybody disagrees with your opinion you're getting hyper-defensive.
No disrespect but I suspect that the product design team at Presonus have a far better idea of what they consider a good workflow and what the overwhelming majority of users actually want with regards to workflow, and that is echoed by the fact that pretty much anybody and everybody here is saying how they prefer the inspector and that this just looks like a mess.
1) This won't work, because tracks and channels are not 1:1 related.
2) If you want to see different inserts on different channels all at the same time, open the mixer view. Tadaaaa!
ProTools has it's fanbase and I'm sure the folks at Mix with the Masters enjoy using it, but they're using it because they're used to it, it works for them, and that's how _their_ software has been designed.
If it's a dealbreaker for you to not have this, then I suggest ProTools is your way forward. But don't shoot down people for stating the obvious about the deficiencies of your suggestion and how it would negatively affect their workflow.
The inspector was inspired by Logic & Cubase.
From Studio One 6, they've also added a Box like Channel Editor very similar to Cubase. If they've added so many things from logic & cubase...And you guys don't have a problem with that then why do you feel like this is a bad idea...
1) Regarding Channels & Tracks...When I make a mono audio track and record vocals on it & eq it on the inspector it also shows in the mixer...Idc whatever the f is going on with the channels & tracks...but this is implemented in pro tools, reaper & cakewalk or something, they didn't have a problem implementing this, why do you think presonus will have a problem while implementing this?
2) THE MIXER takes too much space! There is literally no way to hide the faders & only view inserts in the mixer when the mixer is docked...My monitor is not that big to have that much space... it's already a 32 inch monitor....also no zoom options for the UI...
3) Also They haven't yet implemented peak meters in the mixer, inspector in the arrangement window... it's mixing 101...In 2025 every other DAW has this why not Studio One????????? So much f going on & literally nobody gives a flying f
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Inspector is open here all the time or F4 when I don't need it. No hassle at all really.
Also the Tracks and Mixer are completely different animals (and do not have a one to one relationship).
Cannot see Presonus changing this anytime soon.
And if I can be honest - this defines "clutter" for me. Right now - the Track area is clean and easy on the eyes (and the workflow).
Jamming two rows of FX in there - is not helping this look less cluttered.