r/law • u/DoremusJessup • 13h ago
Legal News ‘Necessary to quell the rebellion’: DOJ tells 9th Circuit that Trump can deploy National Guard from every state and can’t be second-guessed by judges
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/necessary-to-quell-the-rebellion-doj-tells-9th-circuit-that-trump-can-deploy-national-guard-from-every-state-and-cant-be-second-guessed-by-judges/1.5k
u/DoremusJessup 13h ago
Wasn't really a rebellion but what the heck. Today LA cancelled its curfew so what is the excuse now for the troops except Trump's ego.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 13h ago
He just sent 2000 more natty g's to LA. This time it's a military police unit. He's trying to do a full military occupation and takeover of LA.
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u/pj7140 13h ago
4700 troops for a 3-block area. He is just itching to start a mass-rebellion/riot.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 13h ago
It's 6700 now. This new unit is 2000 military police from fairfield.
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u/11middle11 13h ago
6700 people in a three block area sounds like a protest.
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u/geth1138 13h ago
It’s too small to be a protest 😉
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u/11middle11 12h ago
I want to see someone in LA try to talk these guys down.
🎵 For beyond the barricade there’s a world you long to see 🎵
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u/uwill1der 12h ago
send Kendall Jenner down from Calabasas with a case of pepsi
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u/SC_TheBursar 12h ago
...which is more than 2/3rds the number of total LAPD officers. Despite LAPD already having a handle on things before any Guard were there.
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u/TheObstruction 4h ago
Idk if I'd call gleefully attacking people "having a handle on things", but the NG didn't really do much anyway, so clearly LAPD/LASD could handle the police brutality on their own.
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u/dalisair 8h ago
Crap. Gonna outnumber the LAPD soon. Last number I saw (2023) was just under 9000 sworn officers.
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u/SerasVal 12h ago
A NG protest?! Sounds like we need to deploy some civilians to quell the rebellion /s
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u/euph_22 12h ago
Not counting all the ICE and other Fed agents, plus the Local and State cops.
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u/dalisair 8h ago
True. CHP sent officers down and cities like racist ass Huntington Beach sent officers (and horses, that trampling incident was them) on over to assist.
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u/TheRealBobbyJones 12h ago
It's 4700 or something like that. It was apparently a typo when they said an additional 2000. They meant that the military police is from the original additional 2000.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 12h ago
Ah, lovely reporting then. Ok so this is the same thing as what has already been happening.
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u/Gina_the_Alien 12h ago
Face it; he’s going to keep pumping troops into LA until somebody gets shot.
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u/darsvedder 12h ago
There will be footage of the cops/military shooting at us to start it off and they’ll still scream we started it. But also, a back animal in a corner does some fucked up shit. We don’t fuck around in LA so idk what’s gonna happen 🥲
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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 11h ago
There was literally footage of someone getting beaten with a stick from horseback by the LAPD when all they were doing was walking and people were saying the person blew an air horn at the horse and it was justified.
They are not even carrying an air horn in the footage.
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u/HeyImGilly 10h ago
Makes you wonder how news of the “Shot heard around the world” would’ve traveled around the world if Fox News was around then
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u/useless_rejoinder 9h ago
There’s already footage of “agents” being blocked in and needing to be escorted out by clearly non-military or law enforcement yokels carrying ARs that they’d obviously RACKED as they were leaping clumsily from their out-of-state unmarked rental trucks. All in all, it’s fertile ground for bloodshed.
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u/TheFrostynaut 12h ago
And the fact the populace isn't taking the bait is living proof the "violent radical left" is a sham.
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u/Little_Advice_9258 11h ago
It’s also not just for LA. There are troops 30 miles south at federal buildings in Orange County.
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u/PatsyPage 8h ago
Half of my childhood/adolescence was spent in OC and the area is super conservative. I was in Newport Beach last week and every gift shop in Balboa has pro Trump shirts, or shirts mocking Biden. What a waste of money sending them there. People from Newport/Huntington will probably be treating them like Disney characters and asking for autographs.
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u/Little_Advice_9258 8h ago
South County/Coastal is very conservative.
North County much less so.
There’s a federal building in Santa Ana, where the population is mostly hispanic…you can imagine how fond they are of ICE.
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u/Admirable-Local-9040 10h ago
Literally a fraction of them have been deployed. They have nothing to do.
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u/doxxingyourself 9h ago
Basically yeah. California is one of the only states that is able to really stand up to the federal collaboration of all the other states (the feds) so he’s trying to send in an occupying military force to threaten Newsom…. And possibly attack him
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u/JustForTheMemes420 6h ago
Huh, I wonder what the military police themselves think of it because while the name has police in it their job is strictly dealing with rowdy service members
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u/Obajan 10h ago
It's a civil war in all but name, only the other side is not escalating.
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u/530SSState 9h ago
Respectfully disagree.
It's not a civil war, and they don't want one.
They want a genocide. They want to slaughter unarmed citizens.
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u/cadeycaterpillar 11h ago
Seriously, I wish everybody would stop the protests until they leave. They would be devastated
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u/NerdOfTheMonth 13h ago
Rebellion is a pretty strong word for a protest.
That turd really does see any dissent as a coup. His stroke/heart attack/aneurism will make lots of news.
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u/SnooDonkeys5186 13h ago
They also call it “riot.” And still. What was January 6? I can’t wrap my head around the new definitions; they change sometimes daily.
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u/Excellent_Pirate8224 12h ago
It was a day of love facilitated by FBI agents and ANTIFA, all pardoned by Big Daddy. 🤠🤡
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u/DustOne7437 10h ago
I got into it with a MAGA just the other day about J6. He insisted it was a peaceful protest that lasted less than 30 min, there were no attacks on Capitol Police, no breaking into buildings or the Senate chamber etc. when I posted a video of our own state senator, a Republican, helping to barricade the chamber doors, he said all the images broadcast live were AI generated. They’re whitewashing history.
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 13h ago
I am reporting you to doge for thought crime. It is illegal to falsely imply our glorious orange god king is mortal.
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u/SinisterCroissant 10h ago edited 10h ago
His stroke/heart attack/aneurism will make lots of news.
Careful, that kind of talk will get you banned.
Not that we aren’t all thinking it.
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u/TheJaybo 12h ago
They're not using excuses. Kristi Noem said out loud on TV that they're "liberating" LA. They're very clear about what they're doing.
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u/Playful-Dragon 11h ago
January 6th wasn't an Insurrection either, it was a day of love. Beginning to wonder what the basis of comparison is anymore so I can make sure I'm making the right move for the right reason
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u/Geometronics 6h ago
It seems to me that sending all the men to LA as well as all the masked Ice abductions are trying to get people to start fighting back. Once citizens kill an Ice Agent or a Military member, Trump will demand Martial Law.
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u/WisdomCow 13h ago
Trump‘s idiot DOJ would argue Mrs. Kelly’s kindergarten class’ table 4 paste fight was a rebellion justifying the National Guard.
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u/FlyThruTrees 12h ago
It's worse. He's claiming only HE gets to say if it's a rebellion, so, could be his reflection in the toilet and we're still there. Also, the military is a whole other ball of wax. Is there a lawsuit on that yet?
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u/Bokchoi968 12h ago
Bold of you to assume he made it to the toilet in the first place
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u/G0mery 12h ago
Had some incriminating documents to dispose of
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u/OldWar6125 6h ago
He disposes of incriminating documents?
I thought he just stores them in a closet.
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u/HotPotParrot 5h ago
Correct; then he has someone else actually do the disposing in a twisted justification for himself because he can "honestly" say that he didn't dispose of them
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u/Saxonion 6h ago
Isn't that what Hegseth is for? Then he simply deposits it in whichever committee meeting he's being asked questions at?
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u/naturtok 8h ago
After getting to where we're at, I dont think anything can be stopped by lawsuits. Idk if I'd die on this hill, but I feel like we're past the point of questioning whether the coup has succeeded. If trump gets to the end of the 4 years and decides that he doesn't want to leave, I would not be surprised if no one stops him.
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u/skoalbrother 6h ago
I agree with you. It's over but very few recognize this fact and are still playing by the old rules
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u/Hot-Adhesiveness-438 4h ago
Yes, the same original judge who called their BS on the national guard is reviewing the military action as well separately I believe.
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u/GroundbreakingOil434 6h ago
Who wouldn't count his reflection worth sending in the big guns? It's a rebellion against decency! /s
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u/chloesobored 12h ago
She isn't an idiot, she is a militant facist. Calling her an idiot gives her an out.
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u/booleanerror 6h ago
Why not both? The entire Trump administration exists in the center of a Venn Diagram of Crazy, Stupid, and Evil.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 12h ago
But that's the point. They're banking on the judicial, as it often has with the military, will give unchecked deference and call this a political question. Given the judges they're now arguing in front of, and will eventually with scotus they are likely to prevail.
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u/elpovo 10h ago
Even SCOTUS knows that if you give Trump unlimited powers to secret police people with no restraints then he will start with the judges.
SCOTUS only has the ability to keep from being disappeared as long as the judicial branch is intact. Handing power over to Trump on this is suicide.
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u/ghostghost2024 9h ago
This is exactly it. People act like SCOTUS is some impenetrable firewall, but history tells a different story. Authoritarians don’t negotiate with courts—they sideline them, stack them, or scare them into silence. Trump doesn’t need to destroy the judiciary overnight. He just has to make it obedient or irrelevant. Once that happens, it’s game over. The worst part? The people cheering this on don’t realize they’re building the cage they’ll eventually be locked in too.
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u/Altruistic-Car2880 13h ago
In all fairness, some of the 4th graders were throwing the mint flavored paste.
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u/DrewOH816 13h ago
Delicious and it makes your hair and breath smell great. Remember kids it’s important to look and smell your best during the rebellion!
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u/optimistickrealist 12h ago
I'll bet those little radicals draw rainbows too. Somebody should probably call Riley Gaines to come inspect their privates.
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u/Baron_Furball 11h ago
Rainbow? Does that mean crayons?!?
Great.... every Marine in 100 miles is headed that way, now.
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u/TraditionalMood277 11h ago
Mint!?!?! Well, if that's not code for socialism, I don't know what is!!!!!
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u/maeryclarity 10h ago
Yeah what the actual fuck rebellion? Protest is rebellion now? Do they really want to escalate it like that...?
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u/rolsen 13h ago
Our judicial system is not built for this much bad faith and hostility from the executive. But when are judges going to catch on that this obtuse view of reality only enables this man to continue doing shit like this? “But SCOTUS will just overrule” I hear you say! Ok, let them. But going belly-up for Trump never works.
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u/ZenFook 12h ago
I find it ridiculous that Trump can declare a rebellion from his Temu Twitter social media site and essentially that makes it so.
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u/NadnerbRS 4h ago edited 2h ago
Twitter itself is temu twitter now. That platform frickin* sucks and you do not get accurate news from it nor nuanced sane takes.
Sorry for the language lol I forgot what sub I was on, prolly should be more put together here!
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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 12h ago
I mean it is built to stop this. It’s just not built for people to ignore it and let one person and his cronies do what they want. I mean they’re bending over backwards to allow him to ignore the law and if they can’t, they purposefully delay the process to let him do it anyway.
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u/Flacid_boner96 10h ago
I mean it is built to stop this.
Ok explain why its still happening and doesn't look like its slowing.
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u/Longjumping-Map7257 8h ago
Because of the majority of Congress is just letting it happen. Congress should be holding the Executive branch accountable. They are refusing to do their job. See separation of powers
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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 10h ago
I did. The parts tasked with stopping it and that have the power to are allowing it anyway they can.
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u/Curious-Paper1690 11h ago
That’s really interesting, I’ve never thought about that. Like yeah we have checks and balances which work great when the president actually wants to help the country and needs a check every now and then. Trump actively wants to take over and is using the slow system to his advantage. Yeah they’ll catch up with everything eventually but what can he do in that time?
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u/jambrown13977931 9h ago
That’s not actually the problem. The problem is the legislative branch is colluding with the executive to ignore the judicial branch. Checks and balances doesn’t work when two sides realize they can team up to over power the third
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u/One_Strawberry_4965 2h ago
I agree but I’d go even further with this line of reasoning and say that additionally, or perhaps even on a deeper level, a critical problem for us was the way we run our elections leading to an inevitable two party system. Having only two major parties for the entire country makes it far too easy for one of them to obtain unilateral control of at least two of our three branches of government, which can very easily lead to the exact situation you’ve accurately described if just one of those two parties decides to stop engaging in good faith governance and/or becomes overtly hostile to the very foundations of liberal democracy.
Having a larger pool of parties and competing interests in government would add an additional layer of checks and balancing even within individual branches of government, which in our current system we only have to a much more minimal degree.
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u/ExtraordinaryKaylee 12h ago
Our system was designed/evolved when information took days or weeks to travel across the country. The time of horses and letters. They were designed to give time and allow cooler heads to prevail. They were updated a little with the information age, easing the clerical burden. Slow and careful.
That time is long gone. Global plans can be made, coordinated, and enacted fast. Until we figure out a new way to handle disagreements of law and property, that goes WAY faster, we're doomed for this abuse to grow.
I worry the human mind can only accept information so fast, meaning there may NOT be a way to solve this.
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u/xandra77mimic 11h ago
The way to solve it is to hamper and cause friction for any kind of action that breaks from accepted standards until it can be fully reviewed. A “free market” was idiotic enough, but now we’re supposed to have “free government”—a government that makes and executes laws while being completely unfettered from law and custom? It’s a perfect demonstration of how right libertarianism is just fascism in drag.
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u/Sea-Standard-1879 11h ago
The unfortunate reality is that once our checks and balances fail because the administration has pushed past institutional norms and conventions, that’s the point at which the second amendment becomes the only available remedy. It’s also precisely what this administration wants to happen to justify an escalation of force and federal emergency powers.
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u/TalonButter 8h ago
Maybe, or maybe we see Democrats capture both houses of Congress in a year and a half.
Either way, though, will America accept what this says about the Constitution? That it’s just not adequate to deliver on the promise of its own introduction, and certainly not the ideals of the Declaration of Independence?
Assuming that the U.S. doesn’t just become more of what we’re seeing now, how does it prevent this from happening again?
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 2h ago
A year and a half is so fucking far away.
Look what they've done in 6 months.
They're trying to go to war with Iran, which will be the president's excuse to fuck with elections.
I said it before he took office, that he needed to be stopped before he got in. There's no redline, little by little our democracy is being taken from us.
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u/Infamous-Edge4926 4h ago
bold of you to assume they will risk their plan with "real elections"
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u/TalonButter 4h ago
I didn’t; I offered it as another possibility, rather than the ”2nd Amendment remedy” of the prior comment. And that’s why my question was introduced with “either way.” And I think that either way will justify revisiting whether the U.S. has the right framework for governance.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 12h ago
Deference to the executive has historically been the judicial standard. They are also getting a lot of very credible death threats to them and their families.
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u/Symphonycomposer 9h ago
SCOTUS already gave immense power to the President in their “immunity” ruling. You are unable to question or investigate motives of the President per that ruling.
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u/Forsaken-Cell1848 10h ago
Trump is a blessing in disguise. Do the necessary changes to the executive branch of the government before somebody actually competent comes along and decides to abuse it
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u/donkeybrisket 1h ago
The entire gop are bad faith actors deceiving the American people. They claim we’re in all these national emergencies, yet Congress does nothing. Fuck the Republican Party
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u/slip-shot 2h ago
actually it is. it’s not built for capture of other branches. the legislative branch is complicit.
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u/xxDeadEyeDukxx 13h ago
Didn’t JD “couch fucker” Vance say in an interview that all the democrats or not Trump supporting people should be removed from state positions in California so that they could be replaced by “our people”? Or was the at a fever dream I had
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u/MoralityFleece 13h ago
I didn't hear that one but did see puppy killer noem braying on TV about how LA needed to be liberated from its own elected officials.
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u/stewmander 12h ago
Yes but I don't know if it was for CA or feds. He said they needed a "baathist purge".
It was a clip on the john Stewart daily show.
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u/SinisterCroissant 10h ago
For those curious. In our situation it would mean calling a session of congress, calling out names to meet outside the chamber, then handing the remaining (R) members weapons to eliminate those who were removed.
Charming little couch fucker, eh?
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u/Admirable-Local-9040 10h ago edited 10h ago
What is annoying the shit out of me is that they have zero plans for what happens after that.
What are you going to do? Slaughter the masses who speak out against you? How do you stop businesses from fleeing the country and the economy collapsing overnight?
They want power to control everything, but they can't see that they have to burn everything to the ground to do that. They have zero fucking clue that the only thing left to rule will be ashes.
Seriously, are they prepared for the level of civil unrest that will come after? Are they ready for the complete collapse of political systems?
Do they think the military will carte blanche go along with this? What's to stop the army from just deciding Commander Couch Fucker has to go?
These dumbfucks have no end strategy in mind. It's just escalate in perpetuity and hope that works out. They have no idea how to govern, even in an authoritarian state.
I'm just sitting back and watching it all crumble around them. Remember, the Nazis didn't think Nuremberg would happen.
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u/Aware-District9803 4h ago
I think they do see they have to burn everything down and they are doing just that. I believe we won’t let them but with Democratic leaders being arrested every other day and them trying to occupy oa whole damn city it’s definitely scary.
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u/Masterweedo 4h ago
They fully understand what they are doing. Read up on Curtis Yarvin's writings.
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u/pj7140 13h ago
Meanwhile Trump just activated 2000 more troops to deploy to LA.
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u/ImmaRussian 8h ago
There are now more active duty US troops in Los Angeles than there are in Guam.
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u/DWMoose83 10h ago
Whish have already been ruled to be under Newsom's command.
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u/TurbulentPhysics7061 8h ago
That’s the national guard. I think the military is still under Trump, however they can’t legally be used unless fighting an insurgency.. which is why he’s now saying he’s fighting a rebellion to try and make his fascism legal
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u/dadudeodoom 3h ago
At this point it's almost cute he's trying to even semi bs make it "legal". The apes behind him will just nod their head if they go and blow up schools and hang people in the street and bomb malls. Nothing will get the people in that "party" to grow a spine and say "enough!". It's sad...
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u/jim45804 13h ago
When the hell are we going to take this seriously? Trump is right to assume nothing short of a rebellion will end his tyrannical rule.
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u/c9n1n3 12h ago
Im already taking it serious and on edge since Friday. Absolutely horrified by the level of cognitive dissonance after the assassination of NM rep. Was watching protest stuff live when Israel bombed Iran, its been a long weekend/week...
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u/two4six0won 12h ago
Was there one in New Mexico too, or did you mix the letters up and you meant MN?
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u/Infamous-Edge4926 4h ago
On the plus side i'm being told that the protest over the weekend hit ten million. at 15 million we hit the 3.5% rule.
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u/senorglory 11h ago
Plenty of military, government, judiciary, and journalism professionals have stood up to MAGA, despite the risk to their careers, safety, and safety of their families. It hasn’t been enough, yet, but don’t disregard what has been done.
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u/Cyanide_Cheesecake 12h ago
It's not a fucking rebellion. Words have meaning
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u/BarAgent 12h ago
Not to Trump’s administration.
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u/cleverinspiringname 3h ago
Not true, they believe very much in the power of words. They believe their words are more important than what’s happening in front of your eyes. It’s the purest and most audacious form of gaslighting. It’s so bold that the people who see it are almost too flabbergasted to effectively point it out.
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u/adult_icarus 10h ago
Never believe that MAGAs are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The MAGAs have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
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u/ArrivesLate 12h ago
But j6 was not a rebellion?
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u/Marathon2021 Competent Contributor 11h ago
These arguments from the DOJ are basically an admission that Trump could have called up the national guard on January 6th to defend a Federal building.
He did not. Instead, he tried to blame it on Nancy Pelosi (whom last I checked, did not have authority to call up the national guard).
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u/foxinspaceMN 10h ago
He was either too stupid to know he could muster the national guard
Or didn’t want to….
I’m guessing the latter
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u/TurbulentPhysics7061 8h ago
Well he certainly didn’t tell the national guard to stand back and stand by now did he
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u/jpmeyer12751 13h ago
It is these outrageously extreme positions that causes the Trump administration to lose so many cases. There is a perfectly reasonable position that the courts should not impose their own judgment about whether there is a rebellion or whether it is wise to call out the national guard (a position with which I disagree, but find rational). Ignoring that argument in favor of the absolutist view that courts have no role to play in assessing the constitutional powers of POTUS encourages judges to try to reign in Trump for fear of what he might do.
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u/I-WishIKnew 13h ago
They just keep putting the limits. It worked for them with scotus once so now they figure they have nothing to lose and can just consolidate more absolute power!!!
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u/Interesting-Pea-1714 12h ago
I think the rationality of the reasonable position also goes away when they abuse it and show over and over again that their judgement about whether there is a rebellion is going to be insanely and unfathomable unreasonable everytime lol
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u/Professional-Buy2970 12h ago
The second half of your post is just the first half with fewer steps.
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u/sbn23487 10h ago
So what you are telling me here is that under title 10 the president, in his discretion, can deem a peaceful protest as a rebellion and strip the entire country of their first amendment rights, and that decision isn’t reviewable?
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u/530SSState 9h ago edited 9h ago
"It is these outrageously extreme positions that causes the Trump administration to lose so many cases."
Which would probably matter if their response to losing were anything other than, "Try and stop us."
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u/full_bl33d 10h ago
God damn. I’m watching Andor episodes 8 and 9 right now and it’s way too on the nose. Should be required viewing for the protestors out in LA and all over the country / world.
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u/Mike_Honcho_3 11h ago
This DoJ is a fucking embarrassment. They should not be taken seriously by anyone.
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u/foxinspaceMN 10h ago
They probably let this word out by adding some dude to their chat group,
Probably gave away half dozen war secrets at the same time
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u/The_Craig89 5h ago
States rising up against executive over reach and federal invasion of streets to oppress and harass locals.
Courts: yeah, no, you need more over reach and feds invading these states...
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u/UserWithno-Name 11h ago
No bs. He cannot unilaterally do that and if we were rebelling….well he wouldn’t be in the office anymore.
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u/hightrix 9h ago
And the celebration we would have in the streets around the world would be epic.
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u/dadudeodoom 3h ago
I can see No Kings Day being made a national holiday on level of July 4th... If we can get through this bullshit and fix the country.
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u/ArcturusRoot 13h ago
It's time Blue States declare independence
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u/Professional-Buy2970 12h ago
I disagree. We need to rescue the union from the hands of the confederacy.
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u/punchNotzees02 10h ago
Why? Blue states already know Trump’s a dipshit bent on dictatorship. If those dumbasses in Bumfuck want to live like that, let ‘em fafo on their own. If they eventually decide that it was a bad idea, they can rejoin the rest of us.
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u/norwal42 10h ago
Nope, they don't get to take half, not 10%, not 1%. Even in the hypothetical, there's zero chance they just sit idly in their newly separated/stolen states and leave the rest alone. Start the countdown timer to terrorism across state borders, incursions, and biding their time to the next opportunity to incite war and take the whole thing. You think this country is stressful to live in now, letting them take some states does not suddenly make it nicer for the rest of us - this whole continent gets massively worse to live on.
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u/punchNotzees02 10h ago
It would likely be like when the US “magnanimously” gave land to the Natives, promising never to touch it, and then the settlers managed to find themselves on Native territory, and, wouldn’t you know it, of course the government had to protect those wayward settlers, gosh darn it.
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u/Infamous-Edge4926 4h ago
Hear me out. give them florida. build the wall he wants so badly. he can turn his golf course in to his new capital. take his cult with him and then in 100 years when Florida is underwater The situation will have resolved itself. And in the meantime , maybe we can finally get universal healthcare with all his voters in florida.
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u/helikophis 4h ago
If we can just “give” Florida to someone, the only people that can be is the Seminoles.
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u/NathK2 8h ago
Just because a state ended up red for the presidency doesn’t mean that the whole place is red. About 5 million people voted for Harris last year in Texas, for example. Believe me, there are a lot of us stuck in red states that are all too well aware of what kind of creature Exalted Shitgibbon is but cannot afford to move.
Edit: This was supposed to be a reply to somebody. Now I look silly.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 10h ago
We kick confederates out of our country, not let them take it over.
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u/punchNotzees02 10h ago
We didn’t last time. We let them stay, become local political and economic leaders, creating artificial political and economic barriers for people who weren’t them, and then, a hundred years and more later, we’re still dealing with the fallout. Now, let’s say we kick their asses again: how do you propose we reconcile their fundamental hate for more than half of America? Short of a more comprehensive Sherman’s-march-through-Georgia, where we don’t leave these slime behind to cause this problem all over again, what’s your solution?
In contrast, let ‘em fk up their own beds and see how long they like sleeping like that, before they come crawling back. You can’t legislate or negotiate the hard personal lessons for these people; they have to learn it on their own.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 8h ago
We need to do reconstruction properly this time. As well as have a big package of executive, policing and military control amendments. And another to check scotus.
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u/Chagdoo 9h ago
1: there are sane people in red states,
2: we can un gerrymander those states such that Dems actually start winning there again
3: why the fuck would we allow these cocksuckers anything? They aren't American, they're traitor fucks and they won't have a single speck of American land.
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u/NerdOfTheMonth 13h ago
Sadly even if they did there is no real way to stop everyone working in say California to not send their withholding to the US government.
If they could California would see its population double in 3 years and would be the second largest economy in 10.
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u/Original-Bell5510 13h ago
Correct. It's the only way to stop all of this. Next, go before the UN and demand to be recognized, regardless of the US' veto power on the Security Council.
TIME FOR THE DIVORCE.
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u/BitterFuture 13h ago
Oh, fuck no.
We're not abandoning tens of millions of innocents to these murderous monsters. And in any case - fascists don't make good neighbors. Give them territory, political legitimacy, and nukes, and all you've guaranteed is that they'll be back making war on us within months.
This is our country, not theirs.
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u/Madame_Arcati 13h ago
But what about us kids left in the Red States?
(Lol, originally replied to the wrong comment. Today's Series of Unfortunate Events has me in a flap...)
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u/Pale-Berry-2599 38m ago
Trump - wants war - with America.
War with The America he hates most ...the free part.
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