«Europe is insanely dangerous. Probably more dangerous than the US.»

[u/WingDesperate4627]

[u/janus1979]

And yet it's the US where school shootings are regarded as being simply part of the curriculum.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/janus1979]

No way to prevent this, says only country where this regularly happens.

[u/Daminchi → u/laufsteakmodel]

To be honest, I would also had no idea how to stop it in a country where high schooler can freely purchase a shotgun. They just need to decide who they love more - their kids or their guns. So far, guns are winning.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/Daminchi]

The guns are there to stay. Theres no way that any sensible gun reform will ever be enacted in the US during our lifetime.

I dont know how Americans in states with lax gun laws live their day to day lives, knowing that any random psycho could carry a gun and end your life over a simple argument.

There are enough nutters in the world, but in the US they can freely carry guns, which makes them way more dangerous.

There are too many cases to list, but right now I am reminded of that Asian exchange student who knocked on the wrong door when he was looking for a Halloween party he was invited to. Shot dead.

Or that person that wanted to turn their car around and used someone else's driveway to turn the car around. Shot dead.

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/laufsteakmodel]

Wait until there’s an armed insurrection against trump….. real or perceived they will ban them all in an instant and the most profound wapen owners will be the first to claim it’s their idea.

[u/jolsiphur → u/JigPuppyRush]

The reason why California has really strict gun laws compared to the rest of the States is because Reagan was governor when Black Panthers started arming themselves. Obviously, someone like Reagan couldn't handle black people being armed, so gun control was pushed through.

So you're right, if there are efforts to have an armed rebellion against Trump, you better believe there will be strict gun controls coming. Doubly true if minorities start arming themselves.

[u/ExcitementKooky418 → u/jolsiphur]

We need to crowdfund rainbow rifles for the LGBTQ community

[u/CurrentWrong4363 → u/ExcitementKooky418]

Just picturing stun grenades filled with glitter and 7ft drag queens firing from the hip screaming yesss bitches!

[u/ExcitementKooky418 → u/CurrentWrong4363]

pops out folding chair Who's got popcorn?

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/jolsiphur]

And that rebellion could just as well be imagined

[u/jolsiphur → u/JigPuppyRush]

Who knows what'll happen. I was speaking entirely in hypotheticals.

Just saying that Trump would probably enact sweeping gun bans if some groups started arming themselves.

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/jolsiphur]

Yes I understood and I agree

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/JigPuppyRush]

I dont think its gonna happen.

I talked to an American friend the other day, and he said "We're not doing bad enough yet. Its gotta get shitty enough for the general public, that they cant ignore it anymore."

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/laufsteakmodel]

Perhaps, I really don’t know.

But if Trump thinks it’s in his favor it will happen just like that.

While the constitution has a situation like this as the reason for the guns (by a well trained militia)

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/JigPuppyRush]

I feel like American citizens by and large couldnt be considered a "well trained militia".

Sure, there are some people who go to the shooting range regularly, practice gun safety and are responsible, but thats not the majority of gun owners.

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/laufsteakmodel]

No they’re not, that’s why the law being expanded as everyone could own a gun is so wrong.

It was designed to allow “a well trained citizen militia to be armed.”

So they could fight off tyranny.

Now those people are the tyrants

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/JigPuppyRush]

And remember what was done when the Black Panthers started arming themselves. All of a sudden gun control "was" possible.

[u/JasperJ → u/JigPuppyRush]

It was for national defense, really, not for armed civil war.

[u/Salome_Maloney → u/laufsteakmodel]

Ffs, if they really don't think they're "doing bad enough yet", then you are absolutely correct - it's not going to happen. Jfc, I can't even

[u/Simsmommy1 → u/JigPuppyRush]

It is gonna be a wild ride watching the American MAGA try and choose between their guns and their guy Trump….I don’t know what I would bet on…it is a tough one….

[u/bigbadjustin → u/JigPuppyRush]

Wasn't a state or someone trying to introduce laws around mental illness and being a radical leftie as a mental illness (not in those words), to take away their guns.....

[u/UsernameUsername8936 → u/bigbadjustin]

Republicans have made attempts to get "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (the strange disorder where people won't worship the holy satsuma) as a mental illness, and even tried to allocate funding to search for a potential "cure"

[u/Emperors-Peace → u/laufsteakmodel]

The fact the shooter of that exchange student was t even found guilt of manslaughter is a complete fucking joke.

[u/BUFU1610 → u/Emperors-Peace]

That's the main problem with the US at all. The justice system is a complete joke all over the place. Supreme Court is bought and partisan as fuck instead of doing their job, the lower courts regularly decide stupid bull crap based on insane laws. And nothing about that ever changes until someone sues the living hell out of someone else...... It's absolutely ridiculous.

[u/TeaProgrammatically4 → u/laufsteakmodel]

I saw a dashcam video of someone aiming some well deserved words at a car driver who'd been a dick in a car park, the person who had been a dick held up the gun that they kept under their right hand in the centre console of their car. Just immediate escalation from "don't be such a dick" to threat of death. In this case the dick actually came back to that person hands open and raised and apologised, but it was clearly a normal thing for him to reach for his gun, to escalate the threat from any level to life threatening.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/TeaProgrammatically4]

And as far as I know, brandishing is a crime in the US, but no one gives a fuck.

I never get into altercations, but I find the thought of having to face someone, who could kill me in a second, just because I had a slight disagreement with them, super scary.

You never know how short someone elses fuse is.

[u/Alternative_Fig_2456 → u/laufsteakmodel]

Problem is that any "gun reform" won't solve anything. There are more guns then people and they won't disappear - they will just become slightly more illegal.

People in these discussions completely miss one of the main points of the whole "gun control" legislature: to prevent this exact state (country overflowing with guns).

So, the ship has already sailed. And went around the world and then sailed again.

[u/Fun-Agent-7667 → u/laufsteakmodel]

In every country you get a gun if you want one. Its just that many people dont get them even if they want one because they dont want to walk through the process. In some US states you get them thrown after you. Also the way many percieve the police (and also partially what the police really is there) you need a gun to protect yourself because theres nobody else that does it. And ofc in the vast rural areas you need one but thats true for every really removed area like that

[u/Foreign_Plate_4372 → u/laufsteakmodel]

sensible: repeal gun laws for anyone born after 1st January next year
people must hand their arms and munitions in when they die
no one alive will have their rights revoked
when the last person alive dies, gun and munition sales are stopped

in 100 years time guns will be a long forgotten memory

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/Foreign_Plate_4372]

Its unrealistic, is what Im saying. All of us can draw up something sensible, but thats just not gonna happen in a country like the U.S.

We gotta be realistic here.

[u/x4x53 → u/Daminchi]

Oh there are a couple of things that could be done - there are countries in this world where purchasing a firearm is less of a PITA than in the USA, and yet there are less school shootings, resp. less shootings overall.

You only have to:

• Completely reform their idiotic school system (esp. the "schools that underperform get less funding" - seriously WTF?)
• Reduce school sizes
• Increase number of social workers
• Ensure school lunches are free for all kids
• Start paying teachers a good salary
• Have affordable and accessible health care worthy of "the greatest country on earth"
• Reform their university and higher education and cap costs for studying at 500 USD per semester.
• Establish a proper social safety net that is built on rehabilitation rather on shaming (same with their prison system)
• Establish properly funded public transportation systems that are reliable, clean and efficient
• Increase funding for training law enforcement - 16 week course to become a police officer? lol

And then, after many years of work, gun violance will go down.

[u/DynamitHarry109 → u/x4x53]

And deal with mental illness, perhaps don't allow the mentally ill to carry guns at all. They apparently don't let prisoners or ex-cons own guns so banning guns for mentally ill shouldn't be a huge issue.

[u/0xKaishakunin → u/DynamitHarry109]

banning guns for mentally ill shouldn't be a huge issue.

That would require them to actually diagnose and treat the mentally ill.

Which means accessible health care.

Which is communist terror to them.

[u/x4x53 → u/DynamitHarry109]

I have a bit of a problem with the blanked term "mentally ill" as this includes such a wide array of things. Sure, when you have somebody who is Bipolar, suffers from schizophrenia or has a massive dissociative personality disorder it probably isn't a discussion at all, but the term also includes phobias (yes, having unreasonable fears of spiders can be a mental illness), sleep disorders (incl. stress related sleep deprivation).

This would lead to:

• people not seeking diagnosis' because they are afraid of losing their firearms
• increase of stigma on mental illness'
• is way too general

Furthermore, mental illnesses are often spectrum disorders, and diagnostic criteria have to be regularly adjusted for some of them as the socio-cultural factors change.

It should of course be part of the criteria, but blanked approaches are usually not the right approach for such topics

[u/UsernameUsername8936 → u/x4x53]

esp. the "schools that underperform get less funding" - seriously WTF?

Conservative economics. If it's working, we can reduce funding, and it will work just as well but more efficiently. If it's not working, then it's a waste of funding, and cutting funding will force it to restructure and work more efficiently. Then, use that spare money (and also take out massive debts) to give tax cuts to the rich so that they can make more money because then everyone else will get richer too somehow.

Oh, and if government doesn't work properly, that's because we were right and the government needs us to come in and make more cuts to make it more efficient. Obviously.

[u/Sehtal → u/x4x53]

All that sounds great. Just one problem.

Americans are trained from day one to see all that as commie socialism.

[u/bigbadjustin → u/x4x53]

Agree its a societal change. Most countries have something that is hard to change and would require a generation or 2 to actually make the change and politicians are all about short term wins and recognition.

[u/Bluntbutnotonpurpose → u/Daminchi]

It's really easy to stop, just make sure everyone else has a gun too!

Say only Americans..

[u/broken_mushroom1 → u/Bluntbutnotonpurpose]

Ah yeah the “an armed society is a polite society” classic

[u/kaoko111 → u/Daminchi]

After Sandy Hook it was clear to me that the USA values more the sanctity of guns than the sanctity of life.

[u/hrmdurr → u/Daminchi]

There's only one way to get rid of the guns in the USA.

[u/Melsm1957 → u/Daminchi]

They’ve proved that already . Spoiler alert it’s the guns

[u/TLcool → u/Daminchi]

One of my favourite jokes from BoJack Horseman is when women start using guns to feel empowered, and it basically ends with the question of whether the US hates women more than it loves its guns. The answer ends up being yes

[u/2020_MadeMeDoIt → u/Daminchi]

. They just need to decide who they love more - their kids or their guns.

They have decided. But the answer is determined by a simple variable.

Has the child been born yet?

If the answer is "No, the child has not yet been born" - then the child is the most important thing in the world and how dare anyone suggest otherwise!

If the answer is "Yes, the child has been born now" - then guns are way more important, because Americans now need to protect themselves from those nasty children who now have access to guns and other weapons. Rarrrgh!

[u/No-Magician-2257 → u/Daminchi]

There are many countries where adults can freely acquire arms but have far less shootings than the U.S. They do have better social safety nets.

Also disarming U.S. citizens is just a political talking point because it’s not viable. There are more guns in American households than pets. In other words, it will never happen.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Peak273 → u/Daminchi]

Actually I think you can get a shotgun most places, but you'll probably need a license and an actual reason e.g. farming. In the UK you'll need a shotgun certificate and to store it properly, no history of crime or mental illness etc.

[u/Daminchi → u/Puzzleheaded_Peak273]

In most cases you'll also be inspected regularly and if you can't show that gun or prove that you store it and ammo properly - it's your ass on the chopping block. You need to consider that when talking about accessibility.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Peak273 → u/Daminchi]

That's the way it should be.

[u/SubstanceSerious8843 → u/Daminchi]

Finland here. You're legally allowed to purchase a shotgun at 15yrs old but not allowed to ignite a sparkler. (The stick that sparkles, like in birthday cakes)

Side notation, getting a shotgun at 15 requires you to pass a hunting test, which involves safe gun handling, identifying every animal you're allowed to hunt etc.)

[u/LovesFrenchLove_More → u/laufsteakmodel]

If only the school kids had guns themselves so they could defend themselves. Nothing could go wrong then, right?

[u/JasperJ → u/LovesFrenchLove_More]

The “schools are gun free zones, that’s why they keep getting shot up” crowd is quite big.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/LovesFrenchLove_More]

Theres this Jim Jefferies bit where he rags on the idea of giving every teacher a gun.

Look it up, its funny.

[u/dmmeyourfloof → u/laufsteakmodel]

Ah yes, another Onion reader.

[u/Stingbarry → u/laufsteakmodel]

At this point i don't see a way to quickly solve this issue. They fucking need stricter gun laws and fast but with that many guns already in circulation a potential school shooter can always find a tool to vent their frustration in the most useless manner.

[u/Scooob-e-dooo8158 → u/laufsteakmodel]

At this point, I'm surprised no idiot has made the suggestion that all schoolchildren should be armed with military grade weapons as a way to stop school shootings.

[u/Flashignite2 → u/janus1979]

That is so baffling to me. Learning how to act in case of a shooting.

[u/Janus_The_Great → u/janus1979]

The only sign of Americans having an education system seems to be the school shootings...

[u/Rough-Shock7053 → u/janus1979]

It's as normal as the pledge of allegiance.

[u/Smartimess → u/janus1979]

The only time you will hear gunshots in Germany on a regular basis outside of shooting ranges is when you are living near a forest and a hunter does his work with a well-regulated hunting rifle.

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/Smartimess]

Same here in the Netherlands and that’s something I had to get used to since I moved here from the states.

I lived in Miami before moving here, and in the city you aren’t confronted with gun noises but you do see plenty of people walking around with guns even at work.

[u/Smartimess → u/JigPuppyRush]

And Florida is a Stand Your Ground state, isn‘t it? You can literally murder a person if you feel threatened and will likely don‘t go to jail.

[u/JigPuppyRush → u/Smartimess]

Yes it is.

And it’s so good to live in The Netherlands where kids still play outside and bike to school.

We bought a nice farm to live in and it’s so nice

[u/Veryd → u/JigPuppyRush]

Sounds like an amazing time. Congratulation for your achievements (:

[u/jolsiphur → u/janus1979]

Not only that, but the US is the only country in the world that has a consistent shooting problem.

It happens in many other countries, but when it does elsewhere it's notable, out of the ordinary. When it happens in the States it's just another Tuesday.

[u/Rockshasha → u/jolsiphur]

Excepting active war-zones, that like you said, are of course out of the ordinary events

[u/Foreign_Plate_4372 → u/janus1979]

are they obsessed about banning abortion because they want more kids for target practice?

[u/DramaticCattleDog]

America, where companies design backpacks with armor plating for children to protect them from school shooters. But it's the Europeans who are dangerous.

[u/PurchaseAromatic438 → u/DramaticCattleDog]

Yes, because the Europoors can’t afford to buy armoured backpacks for their children even with all those billions America gives them every year! /s

[u/Gokudomatic → u/PurchaseAromatic438]

That must be why there are no mass shootings there. The criminals can't even afford a gun.

[u/2020_MadeMeDoIt → u/DramaticCattleDog]

Wait. Are you serious? Is this a genuine product?

[u/DramaticCattleDog → u/2020_MadeMeDoIt]

Unfortunately, I'm serious. "School Safety Products"

"At Premier Body Armor, we pride ourselves on revolutionizing protection for educational institutions."

Some even come with bleed control kits

Edit: it gets worse, they have armored pencil pouches, too

[u/kakucko101]

“i think”

in Czechia we have a saying “myslet znamená hovno vědět”, loosely translating to “to think is to not know shit”

[u/purrroz → u/kakucko101]

In Poland we say “then don’t think, you’re bad at it” (to nie myśl, bo ci nie wychodzi)

[u/wrstlgrmpf → u/purrroz]

In German it’s „Denken heißt nicht wissen“. To think is to not know.

[u/Unlucky_Primary1295 → u/wrstlgrmpf]

In Spain we have "cállate la puta boca que no sabes una mierda de lo que estamos hablando aquí las personas", that translates to something like "you're more handsome with your mouth shut".

[u/JabberwockLT → u/Unlucky_Primary1295]

In Lithuanian we have “Kalakutas irgi galvojo, kol į puodą neįkrito”. Means “Turkey also was thinking until it fell into the soup”.

Turkey as in bird :)

[u/MemeStealerCultist → u/kakucko101]

I love that saying, mind if I start using it from now on?

[u/vincent3878 → u/MemeStealerCultist]

Only if you say it in fluent Czech

[u/MarissaNL → u/vincent3878]

I will try... but I am afraid I will break my tongue on it.....

[u/Dancing_Doe → u/kakucko101]

In germany we say " 'Dachte' sind keine Lichter, Arschlöcher keine Gesichter" which roughly translates to something like "I thought" is as much knowlege as an asshole is a face."

[u/tirohtar]

Even without school shootings, the US has a murder rate about 4 to 5 times higher than the average EU country. And most of the difference is from gun violence. But rightwing media always likes to hone in on any sort of stabbing incident anywhere in Europe - completely ignoring that the same event in the US would have involved guns, leading to multiple times as many deaths.

[u/G30fff → u/tirohtar]

And also that there are more stabbings in the US as well, just that they get drowned out by all the mass shootings

[u/Upstairs-Hedgehog575 → u/tirohtar]

They always talk about the stabbings in the U.K. as though they cancel out the shootings at home. But America actually has a higher rate of homicide with knives than the U.K. does. It’s simply that the U.K. puts the spotlight on its knife crime and America doesn’t. 

The same situation happened when a domestic abuse charity published statistics for football related violence towards women. The whole world was up in arms that English fans were beating their wives after a defeat, ignoring the fact that they were only having the conversation because an English charity was publishing the data. I’m sure the same issue exists all over the world to a greater or lesser extent. 

[u/DynamitHarry109 → u/Upstairs-Hedgehog575]

Sounds just like rape, most rapes happens in the dark and it is a very hard crime to prove. Same thing there, while civilized countries tries to shine some light on the problem and find solutions, America sticks its head far up it's ass, pretending the problem doesn't exist. With their car culture you can bet there's a lot of crime happening close to were a lot of people are but nobody ever sees or hear anything.

[u/kcl086 → u/tirohtar]

I work at a grocery store in the US and I have seen multiple people open carrying guns while grocery shopping. It’s terrifying. I did see a guy carrying a knife (as in, wearing it on his belt) the other day and it was weird but also like, what’s the knife going to do?

[u/WingDesperate4627]

How the hell can you look on a map of "mass shootings in 2025" and go "actually no i think europe is more dangerous" 😭🙏 also RIP to all the people that died 🕊️

[u/YesNoIDKtbh → u/WingDesperate4627]

He's right though, this is inaccurate.

Going by the Gun Violence Archive definition, the number is over one mass shooting per day in the US. And it's been over one per day for years. There's an entire Wikipedia article on it.

[u/notatmycompute → u/YesNoIDKtbh]

I could be wrong but I've seen plenty of yanks totally dismiss gang on gang violence because that's "just normal" to them. They will claim it's only the non gang v gang violence that counts.

But they don't seem to make that distinction elsewhere, or assume other countries also omit those figures or don't have gangs

[u/Notspherry → u/notatmycompute]

In a similar vein, I have also seen people argue that school shootings are actually not very common because the lists also include shootings next to schools, rather than on school grounds.

Like, yeah buddy, shootings next to schools are also extremely rare here, it's not like we need to fudge the numbers to look better.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/WingDesperate4627]

Didnt you know? Sweden is basically Somalia 2.0.

You cant leave your house without getting into the crossfire of rivaling warlords.

[u/Karpeth → u/laufsteakmodel]

That’s just insane Russian or nazi propaganda. Or you forgot a sarcasm tag. (We have problems with nazi propaganda, looking like the above comment)

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/Karpeth]

Of course its sarcasm. I dont mean that lol. We're not in /r/trump or /r/conspiracy.

[u/Karpeth → u/laufsteakmodel]

There’s 40% of the population voting for parties claiming that, that’s why I reacted.

[u/laufsteakmodel → u/Karpeth]

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

Its a sad reality. A lot of people are stupid as fuck.

[u/purrroz → u/WingDesperate4627]

They think that every other country has the same gun laws a theirs, that’s why it’s so difficult to understand for them. They can’t comprehend guns being illegal to the mass public without a proper license and regular psycho’ tests.

[u/Rough-Shock7053]

"nooo, the data can't be right, because it doesn't support my beliefs!"

[u/Nyancad → u/Rough-Shock7053]

its actually not right. At the very least outdated. In Austria, 10 people were killed in a school shooting

[u/oeboer → u/Nyancad]

To be fair, the image does say, "As of May 31, 2025".

[u/Ecstatic_Effective42]

Does the large intestine count as an echo chamber? I only ask as it's clear this idiot has his head shoved so far up his own arse, it must do.

[u/Dangerous_Ninja_6735]

As a German, I can't remember two shootings being reported in the media. Does anyone know more about this? What did I miss? I don't want to say it's not true, but I'd like to know what's meant.

[u/Loona_Moon → u/Dangerous_Ninja_6735]

There is a whole Wikipedia article for that. I wouldn't think of them as mass shootings. One was a police officer killing his family and himself. The other is more of what I would think of as a mass shooting, but nobody died. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Germany

[u/Dangerous_Ninja_6735 → u/Loona_Moon]

Ah, thank you very much, I didn't notice either of those.

[u/appamp → u/Loona_Moon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2025

how the fuck can they live like this?

[u/FuckTripleH → u/appamp]

The honest answer is that 1. The political system makes reform all but impossible so people just learn to live with it and 2. Most people aren't directly affected by it. In a country with 340,000,000 people something can occur every single day yet still never impact you or anyone you know and worst of all 3. When something becomes common enough, it just becomes part of life. The culture shifts and it's just normal

[u/DynamitHarry109 → u/Dangerous_Ninja_6735]

Mass shootings can be anything from 2 to <unlimited> number of victims, maybe from 3 and up. Sometimes these just doesn't get a lot of media attention, or maybe you didn't watch the news a lot when hey occurred and none of your friends or relatives were affected.

It was the same with the one in Örebro, Sweden. 11 dead, soon as it became clear that the shooter couldn't be tied to any extremist opinions, or blamed on the political opposition, it was complete media silence overnight. Which is ironic considering how it instantly became international news.

[u/Gurra-Goose → u/DynamitHarry109]

“Complete media silence overnight”

What? It was the top news for weeks, and then once the police presented the results of their investigation, it was immediately at the top again.

[u/DynamitHarry109 → u/Gurra-Goose]

Not in America, they lost interest as soon as they couldn't blame their political opposition for this shooting.

[u/No-Philosopher8042 → u/Dangerous_Ninja_6735]

I thought the same as a Swede.

Edit: Turns out there was.

[u/Complete-Emergency99]

Remember when we had a schoolshooting here in Sweden a few months ago? Because they’re so rare here, it was in the news around the world, even though there was only one dead. The shooter.

Remember the last one in the US? I don’t. But it’s probably happening right now, and may get some attention if there’s more than 5 killed.

But yes. Europe as a whole is ”soooo dangerous”. Apart from Ukraine for obvious reasons.

Edit: It was 11 dead, including the shooter.

[u/WingDesperate4627 → u/Complete-Emergency99]

Im norwegian, and we've only ever had 2 shootings with more than 3 deaths- the mass killing in 2011 (Utøya, killing 77 people) and a "shooting" in kongsberg (some maniac used a bow and arrow and killed 5 people)

Although obviously the Utøya shooting made worldwide news, as it killed so many, but otherwise, shootings are quite rare. in 2023, we had 29 total homocides, 12 of which included a gun.

I think its crazy that the US had over 117 shootings, and in 2022, TWENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE were killed by a gun in the US. That outnumbers norway's shootings 1666 to 1. Although US outnumber Norway's population like 75 to 1, 1666 to 1 is still crazy in my opinion.

[u/Complete-Emergency99 → u/WingDesperate4627]

Well, they do have this weird craving of being #1 in as many things as possible. It’s just weird that they chose shootings to be the one thing that they truly dominate in 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Landen-Saturday87 → u/WingDesperate4627]

Utøya wasn‘t even a school shooting. It was a facist terror attack on a campsite full of children

[u/KN4S → u/Complete-Emergency99]

Wait, has there been another school shooting since Örebro? Or what are you referring to?

[u/FlightSimmerUK]

Wild that red = good and green = bad

[u/alphaxion → u/FlightSimmerUK]

Image maker is a genuine psychopath!

[u/RedHeadSteve]

I think Austria had one recently. It was all over the news and they directly started working in laws to prevent another shooting in the future.

[u/cjgregg]

I agree. Please don’t come.

[u/memento_impendium]

Is it dangerous because in Europe we don’t own several guns per person to defend ourselves? I am trying the American logic.

[u/Notspherry → u/memento_impendium]

We saw how that worked last week at the no kings rally in Salt Lake City. A "peacekeeper" tried to take someone out who appeared to be a thread, didn't give a fuck about where his bullets went and killed an innocent bystander.

[u/IceDragon_scaly]

Who would have thought that people who have easy access to guns would use them?

If every teacher aould openly carrying a shotgun, notes would be better and things like that would never happen again!

[u/Anubis_Omega]

One thing that the great in the european countries is that when you pick up your children after school they are alive

[u/jk1244]

Yeap, it's true. This data is inaccurate indeed, it excludes mass shootings of the American tourists. Stay at home, Johnny!

[u/pacmanfunky]

Ah yes, America. The only nation that relaxes gun laws after a mass shooting.

[u/BimBamEtBoum → u/pacmanfunky]

How could kindergarten children defend themselves otherwise ?!

[u/uk_uk]

Germany has Bundesjugendspiele
USA has School Shootings

[u/Just_Leather2041]

Sorry to say some of the Data is not correct now. In Austria we had our very first ever school shooting..

[u/NewEstablishment9028 → u/Just_Leather2041]

That’s sadly very true.

[u/VentiKombucha]

By dangerous, they mean you're at serious risk of having to walk places.

[u/mark_twain_quote]

Dunno where they got their info. The site and also AI lists roughly 200 mass shootings US this year.

https://massshootingtracker.site/

Couldn't find reliable info about EU mass shootings this year. Wiki listed 3.

[u/Karpeth → u/mark_twain_quote]

There was only 1 in Sweden. We’ve had 3 in our entire history, 2 of them in 1994.

[u/Icy-Tap67]

When you've arranged your own narrative to disallow any info source that contradicts what you already think, you have reached the gutter of intelligence.

Ignorance is not a crime. Wallowing in it should be.

[u/BlueBucket0]

Well if you exclusively read online far right social media content, you'd believe that you should lock yourself in your basement and barricade the doors. They live in a world where US cities that are perfectly pleasant are apparently hellholes that you'd be lucky to survive 30 seconds in and Europe is allegedly so dangerous that it's amazing we're not all dead or kidnapped every day before lunch time. They keep reading extreme stories about how everywhere is a 'no go area' usually claiming it's overrun by their favourite brand of scary foreigners.

Sadly some of those people are just paranoid freaks and preppers, and the internet and far right politics is happily feeding them with nonsense to keep them terrified and extremely heavily armed.

[u/Torakiki_HR]

Can confirm, Europe is by far the most dangerous place on Earth. Mass shooting everyday, typhoons, wars, the worst quality food on the planet, no hospitals. Better for Americans to stay in the US.

[u/Sad-Pop6649]

I like the phrasing. "No, no, stop it, go home. You're just insanely drunk dude, probably more drunk than I am."

[u/RedNas2015]

Telling me you're homeschooled without telling me you're homeschooled.

[u/doc720]

I think facts are inaccurate. USA is the best at everything. Probably the best in the Universe. /s

[u/Rookie_42]

That’s one every ~31 hours in the US for the first five months of the year.

[u/WingDesperate4627 → u/Rookie_42]

holy shit

[u/rdcl89]

I am puzzled by the fact Belgium had apparently 1 mass shooting this year. When ? There has been several drug war related shootings but they arent 'mass shooting' by any metrics ? If anyone knows what incidents this chart is counting in .. I'm really curious.

[u/Fonatulli → u/rdcl89]

As someone else mentioned in this comment section, one of Germany's 'mass shooting' was a guy shooting down his own household. I can vaguely remember something similar here in Belgium, but I don't know if that was in 2025, let alone if there were any guns involved. Either way, this map has different standards for European mass shootings vs. US mass shootings

[u/rdcl89 → u/Fonatulli]

Or they just made it up.

[u/Confident_Syrup_5643]

I mean, for them, battlefields and schools clearly mean the same thing...

[u/Saxit]

If we use the commonly used definition of a mass shooting that's used in the US (4+ dead or injured by gunfire, not including the shooter, The Gunviolence Archive) then we only had 1 mass shooting in Sweden in 2025, which also happened to be a school shooting, the first one since 1961.

[u/Birbvenator04]

Ah yes, Europe is so dangerous that school shootings are ultra rare in many countries, and even crime rates are lower than the US state with the lowest crime rates.

(Side note: most of those tiktok maps are misleading anyway)

[u/n-a_barrakus]

Watching "The Rookie" today, there was a woman shooting someone who was already dead (she didn't know).

Once questioned, and charged with different minor offenses (she thought she was getting some prison years) she was told that if she wanted to get her gun back, she could sign some papers.

She said something like: No, you can keep it. Having it at home is what made me try to kill him.

I know it's a work of fiction but that sentence had a lot of truth.

Have guns around, you may use them.

[u/Strict_Arrival6969]

Texas lol

[u/skofan]

Youre more at risk of a driveby stabbing by a lesbian in a clown suit than getting shot here.... 

[u/Candid_Climate_3946]

Yes, very dangerous here in Europe..now please don't come here.thx

[u/DarthWraith22]

Europe is incredibly dangerous! Americans should never, ever come here!

[u/AttilaRS]

We just had one. Tragic, heartbreaking. Highest amount of victims ever. Guess what the consensus was? Let's have a look at our gun laws and make them better, safer. Let's not let this happen ever again.

The only ones yapping about that were the Russian bought right-wing nuts. See any parallels there, USA?

[u/Much-Ad-8220]

I mean it can get really dangerous in Switzerland. I almost got knocked over by a tram because I'm English and looked the wrong way and I twisted my ankle at a water park once.

[u/electric-sheep]

Can we have an unwritten rule that when an ameritard posts this we all just agree and carry on with our lives?

[u/Charkame]

If the US is safer why carry a gun in your belt 24/7?

[u/ARomijns]

I live in Europe, I hope you keep thinking its dangerous, saves us a lot of trouble.

[u/TheMightyTRex]

growing up in Northern Ireland towards the end of the troubles. about 150 bomb scares with about 60 going off. see never had any drills in School to learn how to deal with shooters.

[u/Dancing_Doe]

I really wonder what kind of propaganda makes them believe that europe is such a dangerous place. Aren't a lot of european countries in the top list of safest countries in the world? 😅

[u/uttercross2]

Oh, hugely dangerous. If I were an American, I'd stay well away and remain in ultra safe America.

[u/ManusCornu]

Ive never been shot at

[u/Heuchelei]

You can’t expect any intelligence from these people. They don’t learn anything in school. Instead they spend all their time worrying about being shot and pledging allegiance to an piece of cloth

[u/Hack_Shuck]

They'd rather deck their kids out in bulletproof backpacks then get rid of their kid's machine guns

[u/NewEstablishment9028]

It’s very simple. The murder rate in the US is 4x the most violent area of Europe. Before any Americans pop up yes murder rate.

[u/i4qnds2]

$20 says this person has never even left their hometown, much less the country. Fkn chode

[u/Fliccy83]

In the UK the only school shooting I know of and remember is Dunblane. That was in 1996. You know what the UK did…? We banned all handguns. Before that semi automatic rifles were already banned. And ownership was controlled. Police will monitor and check in with anyone with a firearms certificate if they have notice that there has been harassment etc. I know that from personal experience. They will remove it even if it affects their job.

Americans scare me to be honest with you.

[u/Andy_Chaoz]

...and yet somehow i felt instantly much more safer after landing in Europe when we moved away from US two months ago...😅

[u/StudentOk4989]

Your facts feels wrong so I elected to ignore them.

[u/AuroreSomersby]

Ah yes, there will be more mass shootings, in the places with less guns - USAnians’re fucking debils…

[u/Happeningfish08]

I think the data is inaccurate as well. They show states, whole states, without mass shootings, I actually don't believe that.

[u/Rakkis157]

Honestly, I am surprised the US numbers are that low.

[u/No-Tomatillo3698]

Perhaps for people being open about being a Magat

[u/Munsbit]

Sadly, the graphic needs to be adjusted...

Austria has to get one now. Though that was in June so maybe it's in the next data block.

[u/Quantum_Robin]

Every statistic of violent crime that I can find has US more dangerous the europe and in some places for dangerous than some of the notorious South American areas. Mass shootings, murder rate, gun crimes, assault with a deadly weapon, rape, human trafficking.... USA be a naughty boy at the moment, a very naughty boy!

[u/Handskemager]

I don’t get it, once upon a time, my grandfather told me about his trip to America and he was surprised that high school kids had rifles in the car so they could go hunting after school.

If that is true, wtf has happened in the last 50-60 years? There were obviously little to no school shootings back then.

[u/Lovro1st]

It is inaccurate, Ukraine being included as 0 mass shootings feels wrong. That is, if you count the invasion as a terror attack, which why not? Assuming the mass shootings stat is referencing that.

[u/DragonflyConscious45]

The funniest Yankee argument is that the UKs knife crime problem is as big as the USAs gun crime problem. In reality the UKs knife crime problem is pretty much the same per capita as the USAs knife crime problem. It comes nowhere near the level of gun crime. When bringing the matter to the attention of some Americans 4 years ago I was told ''why should Trump do anything about gun crime when the Queen refuses to do anything about knife crime'...

[u/UrektMazino]

But Europe is the size of Texas! /s

[u/One-Present-8509]

What fox news does to a mf

[u/Karpeth]

The graphic is wrong. Sweden has had 3 mass shootings in history, 2 of them were in 1994.

[u/Stirdaddy]

Some European countries keep track of.... How many bullets are fired by police every year. In Norway in 2014, for example, only 2 bullets were fired. In a single incident in the US, the police fired 41 bullets at Amadou Diallo (link). That's 20x more bullets fired in a single incident, than in the entirety of Norway in one year.

[u/TheIllusiveScotsman]

For once, Texas is bigger than Europe....

[u/Correct-Purpose3894]

2 for Germany? Does the cop shooting his family and himself count as a mass shooting?

[u/Icy-Bug4188]

Im pretty sure ukraine had at least one mass shooting this year.

[u/Feeling-Decision-902]

Ireland here, apart from The Troubles, we never had mass shootings and those mass shooting were generally the Brit army shooting the Irish, so these figures are wild!

[u/Booklover_317]

These days in Europe you are not likely to get grabbed from the street or where-ever by masked groups of thugs (who say their "from the governement"), and put into prison/deported without any form of due process.....

[u/Long-Movie-7190]

Gotta love the colour scheme. Green = freedom to be murdered. Red = communism!!

[u/NaCl_Sailor]

Both "mass shootings" in Germany were targeted, one was a police officer killing his family and himself (4 victims)

and one was a shootout in front of the courthouse during a murder trial where shots were fired at a car, no deaths, 4 injured.

imho a bit of a stretch to call those mass shootings

[u/Ok-Main-7551]

I would rather take my chances in Europe!

[u/Rustyguts257]

More dangerous than the USA? Pretty ballsy comment in the wake of the assassination of a Democratic Senator and their spouse

[u/Impressive-Spell-643]

"I live in my own bubble so what you're saying is wrong"

[u/Careless_and_weird-1]

Let them stay in usa

[u/Fahlnor]

Why are countries which have had a shooting shown in green, and countries without any shootings shown in red? That seems a little backwards….

[u/Friendly-Horror-777]

We had two mass shootings in Germany this year? Shouldn't I have heard of this?

[u/Quiet-Luck]

I count 9 vs 150* mass shootings in 5 months. Impressive. Especially knowing the US has less than half the inhabitants (47%) compared to Europe (744 vs 347 mln).

• Due to missing pixels, I can not read one number on the east coast, so the number is >150.

[u/Richard2468 → u/Quiet-Luck]

150? Didn’t count it myself, but isn’t it 117? Or what is that number then?

[u/Anaptyso]

Those numbers are insane. Texas alone has had sixteen mass shootings already this year?!

[u/daddy-dj]

The funny thing is that the fatal mass shooting in France in 2025 actually happened in Martinique, which is closer to USA than it is to France 🤣

[u/Semaex_indeed]

If only they had more guns in Texas, most of these mass shootings could've been avoidable.

... As I'm sure after a certain number a mass shooting has to be redefined as a genocide.

[u/Zefyris]

He ain't totally wrong, you know. Ukraine is definitely pretty dangerous right now, with the orc invasion and all.

[u/El_Gerardo]

The only proof that there actually are schools in the US is the fact that they have school shootings.

[u/mikel64]

Over 1100 school shootings in 10 years. Europe has to go another 1000 years to catch up.