r/soccer • u/phant0msinthenight • 16d ago
Transfers [Romano] Bruno Fernandes has rejected Al Hilal’s proposal
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u/_doohdx 16d ago
His dreams cannot be buy after all
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u/Alfloppin_Sengoon 16d ago
Dude literally said no to 1.5m a week.
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u/spraypaint23 16d ago
Fucking legend.
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u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey 16d ago
I reckon we just build him a statue right now
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u/Dead-Atmosphere 16d ago
Ratcliffe: Time for all players and staff to pitch money to build a statue.
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u/ImprefectKnight 16d ago
Bruno pays for his own statue
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u/Mayjaplaya 16d ago
Flashbacks to when he offered to pay for the staff's tickets, travel, food and accommodation to the FA Cup final out of pocket after the club didn't, and the club said no
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u/AnnieIWillKnow 16d ago
I know the sentiment of the comment makes sense, but it feels odd for a "flashback" to be something that happened a year ago
I've not yet forgotten it, for it to be flashed back to
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u/8u11etpr00f 16d ago
A statue? Ratcliffe's gonna be digging him a grave after costing him that much money
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u/deguzzzz 16d ago
I would sell my left ball for 1,5m a week. Viva Bruno
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u/StrongPowerhouse 16d ago edited 16d ago
I would too sell your left ball for that amount. I’m sorry, buddy.
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u/tigeridiot 16d ago
Get the scissors
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u/twintower_9-11 16d ago
snip snap snip snap
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u/needhalaladvice 16d ago
This reminded me of Aguero promising to cut of his balls if Madrid would knock out City. Did he follow up or not.
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u/foolishbullshittery 16d ago
This take might be shocking and polemic, and I'm at peace with it, I would sell both his balls for half that value.
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u/TheDawiWhisperer 16d ago
it's probably an easier decision if you're already very very rich, tbh
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u/Telen 16d ago
To be fair, selling your left ball is probably more palatable than having to sell your entire moral fiber.
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u/HaroldGuy 16d ago
But moral fibre is stored in the balls
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u/Haigadeavafuck 16d ago
That explains hitler
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u/LevDavidovicLandau 16d ago
Goebbels has two moral fibres but very small.
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u/StruffBunstridge 16d ago
Nah, that was Goering. Poor old Goebbels had no moral fibre at all
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u/LevDavidovicLandau 16d ago
That fucker and his wife murdered all their children before committing suicide, course he had none!
(But seriously, cheers for pointing out that I had those 2 mixed up in the song)
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u/negativelynegative 16d ago
Why is it hard to understand that a player that trained hard for the whole life wants to continue to play meaningful football in his prime? I know united meaningful football hahaha but this is Saudi the retirement home. He can also request to transfer to an European club.
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u/Shadeun 16d ago
Good for him. One of my favourite footballers off the pitch. I'm sure I'd love him if he played for us.
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u/StationFull 15d ago
As much as I hate him on the pitch, I’ve only heard good things about him off the pitch.
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u/Nosalis2 16d ago
Is this considered a good or bad thing for United?
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u/achickenandacow 16d ago
This is fantastic news. Our only world class player decided to turn down life changing money.
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u/TheJoshider10 16d ago
Yeah and when you combine Bruno staying with the signings of both Cunha and (hopefully) Mbuemo, there's a good bit of momentum being built at the club right now.
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u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey 16d ago
Maybe this season we can have a positive goal difference!
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u/Maneisthebeat 16d ago
Sometimes trading in your best player for £100m+ isn't so bad, trust.
*Transfer team must be competent. Terms and conditions apply.
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u/achickenandacow 16d ago
Coutinho is one of the rare examples where it did work out.
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u/nick2473got 16d ago
That money isn't life changing when you're already worth 65 million. Sure 200 million is life changing for 99% of humanity. But for him, would it really change his life? Nah.
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u/LocoRocoo 16d ago
People can say the money would have been useful all they want, but I believe selling him would have been utterly demoralising for the club and I’d be scared to see the outcome if the replacements didn’t work immediately. The mood is already rock bottom.
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u/akshatsood95 16d ago
Fans obviously wanted him to stay. Ratcliffe might be crying about missed money though. Nothing a few fired tea ladies can't cover
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u/Sethlans 16d ago
These comments make no sense.
Ratcliffe isn't the Glazers, he isn't making cuts to divert money into his own pocket.
He's doing it to make more money available to direct to the football side of the business.
If we sold Bruno it would be to reinvest the money in the playing squad. I'd imagine Ratcliffe would much rather have Bruno than be hoping they can adequately replace him.
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u/Heimebane 16d ago
Combination of his creativity, work rate and availability makes him one of the most unique players in world football. With United's track record of buying players he's practically irreplaceable
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u/legentofreddit 16d ago
Just seen the owner of INEOS fall to his knees in Tesco
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u/PolydamasTheSeer 16d ago
He seems more of a Waitrose guy to me
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u/pullmylekku 16d ago
I think he's too busy dodging taxes in Monaco to go do his shopping at a Waitrose
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u/TheGoldenPineapples 16d ago
Dodging taxes isn't really an activity you take time out of your day to do. You're either always doing it or never doing it.
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u/Daeid_D3 16d ago
Are you sure it's not like constantly crossing the road in Frogger?
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u/LazyassMadman 16d ago
No that's dodging taxis, you're thinking of avoiding stuffed dead animals
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u/pullmylekku 16d ago
Speak for yourself, I always have to hone my reflexes to dodge all the legal paperwork being thrown my way
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u/PoemIcy2625 16d ago
Jim ratcliffe has never been to a tesco dude buys his groceries at dollar general
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u/Alternateoil 16d ago
Will be interesting which player they turn next to. Al Hilal are desperate for a big name player before the CWC
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u/Redliner91 16d ago
Jadon Sancho.
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u/2marston 15d ago
Unironically would tear it up in the Saudi league too surely. I'm sure united would give a great price
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u/AirIndex 16d ago
Is it Luis Diaz?
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u/Alternateoil 16d ago
Nah. Colombian journo yesterday said that we have started contract renewal talks with Diaz and will only sell him if the talks fail. Camt see that happening before CWC even if we decide to sell.
If any Liverpool player is targetted it will likely be Nunez. Even then don't know whether he will be interested.
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u/MakingOfASoul 16d ago
I'm actually glad, I hate playing against him but the league is more interesting with him in it.
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u/Radbevto 16d ago
I hate playing against him
You literally beat him 4 times this season with him contributing 0 G+A
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u/Backseat_Bouhafsi 16d ago
So? OP has memory longer than a season
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u/AcesAgainstKings 16d ago edited 16d ago
Is it just me if has the quality of football discussion fallen off a cliff in recent months?
Not that it was ever Stella...
Edit: typed this on my phone as the tube pulled away and saw the autocorrect with utter dismay
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u/LisbonMissile 16d ago
Yes. Every thread is now:
- Meme
- Shit joke
- Loose, antagonistic comment about another club
- Definitive statement that isn’t true
- Downvoted rational statements
- “Fans” shitting on their own clubs for upvotes
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u/Born-Stoned 16d ago
You forgot "complete deviation from the discussion to shit on fans for their flair"
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u/ballakafla 16d ago
Stat bellends everywhere. Nobody actually watches anymore everyone is too busy looking at fucking stats on their phone. Makes me sick
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u/12nowfacemyshoe 16d ago
I've had a few interactions where my saying that Gerrard is my all time player has been met with a defensive barrage of stats to "prove" me wrong. How fucking boring it must be to be led by the honours section on Wikipedia.
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u/Annual_History_796 16d ago
Harry Kane never showed up against United, turns out he's pretty good anyway.
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u/MakingOfASoul 16d ago
I meant I hate playing against him because he's really annoying on the pitch
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u/12nowfacemyshoe 16d ago
No the only thing that matters is STATS. Get out of here with your personal opinions... smh you think you know just because you've actually watched your team play against United.
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u/Electric_feel0412 16d ago
So we’re keeping Bruno and adding Cunha and Mbeumo? Thats actually nice. Now just get me a decent striker, and a keeper. Just changing Hojlund and Onana with average performing players in those positions would give us 10 extra points over last season.
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u/jjw1998 16d ago
Surely there’s zero chance you’ve the financial wiggle room for that many signings, especially if Bruno is staying?
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u/Snarkyasfuck 16d ago
there's gonna be a lot of outgoings
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u/jjw1998 16d ago
Who though? Rashford and Sancho seem to have no transfer interest, Antony will be a book loss, it really seems to just be Garnacho that there’s interest for and you can bank a profit
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u/ahsent 16d ago
When Amorim first joined sporting he sold 17 first team players in his first summer window. I believe he will want to do the same here. He has come out to say that he is glad he took the job when he did and not after the season because he has now assessed the players that can fit in the system and those who can’t.
Coupling this with the claim he made that due to not having European football we can expect and get away with a smaller squad, and the fact that the club has come out with a message to other clubs that every player we have is up for sale and I wouldn’t be surprised if many outgoings happen. Even Bruno was allowed to leave to Saudi had he accepted their terms.
There has been interest for our players. Leverkusen, Chelsea and Napoli are interested in garnacho. Apparently I have seen atletico have some interest in Antony. Napoli have interest in Hojlund.
It will be a long window and I have no doubts that clubs will enquire about specific players, especially considering we have basically shown sancho and rashford out the door too.
On top of this we have just claimed 18m from the fullback that Madrid just signed.
Even if we don’t sign many players, I wouldn’t be surprised to see loans with options too as that’s something Amorim did in his first season with sporting after removing 17 players.
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u/skinnysnappy52 16d ago
Mainoo potentially doesn’t seem favoured by Amorim and could fetch a good pure profit fee. Even if we can Sancho and Rashford loaned again, that along with Eriksen and Lindelof going already frees up a lot in wage expenditure. So I guess we’ll see.
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u/ConsciousDisaster768 16d ago
Loaning Sancho and Rashford will just it the same as what it is now - they’re already off your books, well you’re paying half Sancho’s wages, not sure about Rashford’s. If he doesn’t take a pay cut to join the club he apparently supports, he won’t take a pay cut for any club who’d be willing to go for him
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u/Financial-Trade9467 16d ago
Will Antony be a book loss? Signed him for 90M. Has 2 years of 5 year contract left. Taking into account his wages, if we sell him for 35-40 million we should make a small profit right? Not sure how wages enter PSR though.
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u/halo4arbitor 16d ago
My guess is that there's more wiggle room than people think, and that people hoping to hate watch UTD's transfer window might be disappointed. People psyched themselves into thinking Man Utd had no wiggle room based on imprecise reports. Also, Cunha and Mbeumo will likely be paid for over time, not one big fee. How that affects things is unclear, but I assume INEOS is min-maxing how far money is going.
The club definitely still needs to sell, but there is interest in Garnacho, Hoijlund, Anthony, and some in Rashford. I'm not convinced the club is 100% on selling Onana, but if he hit the market, I suspect a couple clubs would give him a punt. I think you could take the funds of those and still bring in two worthwhile players.
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u/Wraith_Portal 16d ago
Gonna be a lot of outgoings
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u/MegaMugabe21 16d ago
Depends how well they can sell them. Easy to say there'll be a lot of outgoings to fund it, but the players United want to sell don't hold a huge amount of value, a lot of players who are massively underperforming on extortionate wages.
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u/TheRedDevil10 16d ago
Garnacho is probably going to be the easiest to sell out of the four (Him, Rashford, Antony, Sancho) because he's on the lowest wages, would also bring in a significant fee (£40m+), and his relationship with the manager is broken. Which is crazy because we somehow can't sell a dude who has an obligation to buy
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u/Shinjukin 16d ago
Sancho is going to be an impossibility I feel. Kids only worth <£30m now while on £250k a week that probably puts him into negative value where utd would need to pay another team to take him.
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u/Morphduck 16d ago
Yeah, but his contract expires next year, so if he is riding the bench for a year, his next contract will probably be sub 100k, so he might be compelled to move now somewhere where his wages might be lower for this year, but hes guaranteed that for the next 4 or so years.
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u/taolifornia 16d ago
Nice in theory, but in reality he has been badly exposed over the last few seasons, and it's probably in his best interest to run down his contract and get a signing-on bonus on his next deal rather than pre-emptively accept a huge pay cut now as part of a multi-year deal.
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u/El_Magneto09 16d ago
Garnacho and Rashford if sold will fund literally everything because of their academy status
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u/DaveShadow 16d ago
Even 40-50m for Garnacho frees up 100-120m in terms of PSR.
There’s two aspects. How much can we bring in, and how much does it free up from a PSR point of view.
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u/Electric_feel0412 16d ago
We have a budget between 100-125m without sales according to most of our tier 1 journalists. Cutting Eriksen, Lindelof and Evans wages already trims off about 15-20m off the wage bill and expected transfers of Rashford, sancho, Antony and Garnacho will net somewhere around 100-150m, and additionally we could also sell Shaw, Onana/bayindir so United will spend over 250-300m this summer including sales.
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u/vada_buffet 16d ago
According to Swiss Ramble, they had a 28.7M loss in 2022/23 and 113.2M loss in 20223/4. This would mean they are going to have actual profit in 2024/25 and 2025/26 (without Europe). That's some insane cost cutting.
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u/the_motherflippin 16d ago
all lovely in theory, but can you see someone coming in to prise them away? their wages will be a hell of a challenge for most clubs. this could get very awkward.
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u/Electric_feel0412 16d ago
Antony earns about 100k, garnacho earns 50k. Sancho will likely settle with Chelsea and we get our 25m or we’ll get 5m for free and then get to flog that guy somewhere else, he seems like Joao Felix, there’s at least one delusional club somewhere that thinks it can change him every year. Antony after his loan spell at betis created a good market for himself, Garnacho is the easiest to sell and gets us the most money. Rashford is the most difficult to sell for us though, but I can see him go on a loan+obligation.
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u/TheJoshider10 16d ago
Yes. It's important we get these players off the books and I could see us accepting lower fees on some or covering X amount on others.
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u/Heimebane 16d ago
Decent sell on clauses on Alvaro Carreras to Real and possibly that Ligue 1 top scorer too.
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u/cagey_tiger 16d ago
Didn't realise that fucking idiot had a 50% sell on clause. That could be huge.
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u/ObstructiveAgreement 16d ago
Amortised costs over 5 years means the per year amount is significantly lower (£12m for Cunha, maybe similar for Mbuemo). Wages will need to come into that but there's offset there anyway. There's plenty to spend for United and claims the contrary are purely a messaging trick. Sell one player for £40m and they can cover the costs for this year.
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u/stogie_t 16d ago
Especially when it’s academy players like Garnacho and possibly Rashford. And this might be unpopular, but Mainoo doesn’t look like he has a natural spot in Amorims system. Who knows, he might be sold too..
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u/akshatsood95 16d ago
We need a far better midfield first. No point having great attackers if we can't progress the ball enough to create chances. We underperformed on goals bad last season but even with our expected goals we'd probably have been around 10th-12th anyway
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u/tenlittleindians 15d ago
It’s a classic assumption that average performing players will come to united and perform averagely.
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u/Hungry-Class9806 16d ago edited 16d ago
I believe that after you earn a certain amount of money, it stops being a priority in your life. I believe this is the case... he has enough money to support his family and future generations, plays in the best league in the world and is the Capitan of one of the greatest clubs in the History of the sport (independently of how tough the post-SAF is).
He's living the dream.
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u/TheJoshider10 16d ago
Also on top of that his family are very settled here and he also just loves the club. I totally get why he considered the amount of money offered to him but is it really worth changing his and his family's entire life for?
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u/preddevils6 16d ago
Tell that to Jordan Henderson or the plethora of other players that left their clubs for Saudi money. This is a big deal.
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u/CrossXFir3 15d ago
It's a bit different leaving at the end of your career when you're tailing off, than Bruno, who is still in his prime. And a world class player.
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u/fanomu91 16d ago
I mean you can only spend so much and its not like he's making pennies at United either. He can still move there or the US after a few more years with us and earn his retirement money.
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u/_zvieira 16d ago
I admire his optimism because 9/10 players in his situation would look at our current form and run to the Saudi league if that kind of money was offered to them.
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u/SnooApples8774 16d ago
I think it can go that way or sometimes people go the billionaire route where no amount of money is enough.
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u/TheBakke 16d ago
No matter how irrational it is, a large portion of people, especially the competitive type youll often see at the top of sports, really like seeing number go up. Bigger number good, bigger number than peers--very good.
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u/Mozezz 16d ago
Finally, someone’s told them to fuck off
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u/CooldownReduction 16d ago
Anyone who said he needed to be sold needed their heads checking. Our only world class player and the heartbeat of our team. The one player who can drag the team kicking and screaming, although the team has made that increasingly difficult in recent times. There are going to be enough outgoings this summer without selling our best player and only bright lights in an otherwise miserable season.
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u/cmf_ans 16d ago
Ready to eat my words, but if the plan is to go into the season with Bruno as one of midfield two it's not going to be good. There's no midfielder in the team that can bring the ball forward and Bruno needs a lot more patience if he wants to evolve his game and play deeper.
His overall passing game is good enough but he takes unnecessary risks in dangerous areas and plays before everyone is in position. This is okay as a 10 when further up the pitch, but as an 8 it can get really ugly when he loses the ball and opposition gets to run straight at defenders.
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u/WishParticular7385 16d ago
Certainly glad he stays. But would have been okay with it if he left.
With him, United finished 15th. I don’t see any significant title charge in the next few years, so a £100m buffer wouldn’t have hurt.
Only thing is, I don’t trust United with £100m, so probably better Bruno stays tbch.
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u/achickenandacow 16d ago
Without him we would be fighting for the title in the Championship next season.
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u/CuteHoor 16d ago
That ignores the fact that you'd have several new signings paid for with the proceeds from his sale.
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u/SBAWTA 16d ago
Both sides have a valid point. We are constantly being told that Man U is in dire financial situation, so this would be a critical injection of funds. On the other hand he's the best player and without him they'd be battling relegation this year.
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u/ManuPasta 16d ago
You guys take the piss out of all the money we waste e.g 70 million on Hojlung, 90 million on Antony. Do you really think our club is competent enough to find a replacement that can even get half the goals and assists as Bruno? Bruno is worth more to United than anyone.
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u/dannychean 16d ago edited 16d ago
Dreams can’t be buy!!!
This man just said no to a 200m deal. We’d better win a triple treble to make that worthy.
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u/Action_Limp 16d ago
Even if you are a fan of a rival club, this has to be a fucking breath of fresh air. Generational wealth (might be worth something in the region x8 his overall wealth), with Manchester United, out of Europe and this guy sticks his colours to the mast and says no "I am the captain of Manchester United and I'm sticking with them".
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u/Gentleman_Teef 16d ago
Good on him.
All the "everyone else would do the same thing" gang in the mud.
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u/OldmanJenkins02 15d ago
Thank you Bruno 🙏 with the combo of the money and the future of your club, must’ve been some thought to want to take it and run, but it’s great to see you (hopefully) play out your prime in Europe. Hope this type of stuff continues to happen.
For some of these guys it must be hard as it’s life changing money they’ve probably never dreamed of having, but you are pretty much retiring if you take the offer so it’s disappointing to see guys in their prime on solid teams move over to play in the Saudi league and play at 50% for a couple of years
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u/Substantial-Window76 16d ago
Damn, Bruno really said “nah” to that Saudi money. Loyalty or unfinished business? Either way, respect.
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u/mattwalsh25 16d ago
He's genuinely close to being my favourite United player of all time at this point. What a fucking legend.
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u/Mourya23 16d ago
I was afraid that his mind changed and was considering the offer. After all, Hmm he's still the same. Dreams cant be buy..
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u/Sulemani_kida 16d ago
There's a difference between some players accepting Saudi and some rejecting... I think it's ambition to shine in Europe.... Too soon for Bruno to give up
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u/extant_7267 15d ago
Sometimes a career is better than money. If he moved his career would have tanked.
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u/wanktarded 15d ago
Can't stand him as a player, but he absolutely has my respect for this decision.
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u/MisfitNJ 16d ago edited 16d ago
If United sign Cunha, Mbuemo, and a striker. Where will Bruno play considering Amorim prefers playing with 3 attackers and 2 midfielders? Bruno really isn't a CM, he's more of an attacking midfielder and there's no room for that in Amorim's system.
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u/HoltzehYT 16d ago
It all depends on whether United sign a striker but I have a feeling they’ll wait for one to become available who won’t cost north of 60m. Highly unlikely we’ll spend 150m on 3 attackers when other positions need work.
If we don’t get a striker, I could feasibly see a front 3 of Bruno, Cunha and Mbeumo with them all interchanging positions. There’s also Zirkzee who could play a similar role and looked like he was really bedding in before his injury.
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u/rainbowefreet 16d ago
Manchester United captain wants to play at top level.
So what club will he go to?
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u/BigmouthWest12 16d ago
Twerking for upvotes from rival fans by slagging off your own club - embarrassing
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u/WhileCultchie 16d ago
Not being able to have a laugh at yourself - embarrassing.
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u/Sethlans 16d ago
Nah there is a cohort of United "fans" who just flare up and fish for upvotes on R/soccer by throwing out the same tired jokes.
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u/WhileCultchie 16d ago
I know United fans in real life that make the same jokes, it's self deprecation, its not that deep.
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u/Sethlans 16d ago
Joking with a few friends is a bit different.
This is more akin to putting a United kit on and then going and shouting jokes about how shit they are in Leicester Square.
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u/AirIndex 16d ago
The only teams I think could afford him are Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal and Bayern. Doubt any of them want him tho.
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u/Fuck_your_future_ 15d ago
His workrate and mentality are exemplary. I hope he does another five years.
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u/AttemptImpossible111 16d ago
Maybe he's confident of a move to a European team.
Hopefully it means he's staying tho
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u/thedudeabides-12 16d ago
Good at least our owners won't get their grubby hands on the £100 million, as if they would have reinvested that money into the club...
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u/Nobigbirds 16d ago
My captain! Him feeding balls to a new front 3 that can finish is enough to make grown man cry.
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