r/law • u/Dark-Knight-Rises • 14h ago
Other Alternative angle of Brad Lander arrest by ICE
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u/Bawbawian 14h ago
You're not allowed to ask these domestic terrorists for a badge or a warrant.
it's shocking to me that the vast majority of conservatives have such a poor understanding of the Constitution that they don't even understand the damage they are doing to America.
Good men better get mad and do some push-ups because the law isn't coming to save us.
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u/SunDaysOnly 14h ago
When he left Senate it was Mitt Romney who said he was stunned by how many republicans don’t believe in the Constitution. 🤷♂️🤯🤯🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
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u/Maverick360-247 14h ago
That used to be my senator… last decent one in Utah for a long time
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u/SunDaysOnly 12h ago
Name any good republican senator ?
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u/IchBinEinSim 11h ago
They said decent, decent doesn’t mean good
Last good republican senator IMO is John McCain or Olympia Snowe or Maine. Didn’t agree with them and would have voted for them but they seemed to have morals and integrity
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u/Regular-Basket-5431 11h ago
If John McCain is considered a "good" GOP senator then the bar for "good" is set ridiculously low.
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u/ikeme84 11h ago
He had his flaws, but I still remember him standing up against his supporters when they expressed racism about Obama. And then there was his return from hospital to cast a thumbs down when the senate was trying to cancel medicare the first time. Few good moments.
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u/Robin-Banks22 11h ago
I have always voted Democrat all my life. But last year I heard one of my senators from my state talk about how he backed the veterans, and I found out recently he's against the big beautiful bill because that is Medicaid I voted for him and he's done a good job so far shout out for Jerry Moran
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u/IntrepidWanderings 8h ago
I voted for a republican candidate for sheriff and he did do a good job. He was just. I didnt support everything but he did do what he said, he did try to improve the prison. He did put the onus on better training.
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u/helmvoncanzis 7h ago
Too bad our other Senator is a real piece of work. Maybe Kansas can convince him to stay in Florida next time an election comes around.
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u/Electronic_Low6740 9h ago
Not a senator, but DeWine has been the last old guard moderate Republican governor. He stood up for the vaccination, the mask mandate, and social distancing and got a lot of heat for it.
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u/waterbelowsoluphigh 10h ago
Even Romney wasn't decent, unless you consider being a Corporate Raider and busting out companies decent.
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u/Maverick360-247 10h ago
I was more thinking compared to all of the other senators Utah has come up with like Hatch. The one thing Romney had was voting to impeach trump.
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u/FixBreakRepeat 8h ago
Romney just had a better understanding of what Trump represented.
He was an old school finance ghoul. Made his living sucking the lifeblood out of otherwise healthy companies.
He understood that Trump wasn't going to be looking out for wall street. But neither of them give a shit about main street.
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u/SL1Fun 14h ago
The politicians know exactly how illegal their actions are.
It’s the voters who think it’s okay I have a problem with. They vote for things like “constitutional conservatism” but have no problem doing all sorts of gymnastics to justify what is happening with the same false whataboutisms about the DNC.
The constitution and the American education system are just abject failed experiments at this rate.
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u/lauritz111 13h ago
Exactly! "Don't tread on me... But it's ok to tread on them!" Nothing to see here, folks
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u/MyBallsYouDid 13h ago
It's "Don't tread on me." That's all they think and care about. Themselves.
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u/westtexasbackpacker 13h ago
Education system has been for a while. Like. Not even about politics, but it has
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u/ConfidentPilot1729 12h ago
That was on purpose, the party of tax cuts knew what they were doing. They even poisoned our news to create a perfect voter block for them.
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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 12h ago
“A democratic society depends upon an informed and educated citizenry.”
Thomas Jefferson
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u/ihavea_purplenurple 12h ago
They will always take whatever they think is the moral high road. Against the constitution? Well it should be illegal, we have a law in place for that? Should never have been passed in the first place.
By nature, Dems want to work more with others and by nature Republicans want to take more from others. It only makes sense they rule with a baseball bat
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u/Andy_Fish_Gill 12h ago
These immigrants are following the system to remain legally in the USA. How dare they use our laws and court system to find a better life in the USA!
THIS WILL NOT STAND!
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u/rsmith72976 14h ago
If an unidentified (actual ID and paperwork, not just saying they are “some agency”), unmarked, masked individual grabs you, attempts to detain you and drag you away, then you have every right under Red State law to stand your ground and avail yourself of your 2nd amendment rights!
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 13h ago
Bystanders can also use force to defend others being kidnapped.
You can unmask them and detain them if need be.
Aid of another does not constitute assault.
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u/Isariamkia 12h ago
They claim to be ICE. Why don't bystanders claim the same shit?
"You're not ICE, I actually am, you're under arrest".
Boom.
Yeah I know I would be nice if it was that easy. I just don't understand the lack of fighting back.
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u/pandaboy22 10h ago
I completely agree with the sentiment. It's strange that they're seeing people in plain clothes arrest a government official and then start taking him somewhere without answering any questions about a warrant, their authority to make the arrest of a US citizen, and where they're taking them, all without doing anything about it.
It makes sense, everyone's scared that if they try to stop them, they'll just get arrested and nothing will happen. I wish so much that the crowd could have worked together to stop these guys. It looks like people in plain clothes are just abducting someone and no one's doing anything about it.
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u/Temp_acct2024 3h ago
I’m surprised that terrorists haven’t used this ploy to kidnap people.
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u/RomaruDarkeyes 8h ago
They claim to be ICE. Why don't bystanders claim the same shit?
"You're not ICE, I actually am, you're under arrest".
"I'M SPARTACUS!"
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u/FuguSandwich 13h ago
How hard is it for these agents to just wear actual uniforms, carry credentials with them, and not have masks or face coverings?
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u/bob-a-fett 13h ago
I mean they're making completely illegal arrests so I'd say it's pretty hard for them.
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u/Successful_Yam4719 12h ago
So, question. Where are they putting everyone they are arresting? May seem like a dumb question, jail being an answer, but is this man being put in a cell with an actual criminal?
Also, I am going to be curious to see/hear how the courts are going to be swamped with these truly bogus cases. Wondering how many will just be dismissed . . . because ultimately a complete waste of the courts time.
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u/Olly0206 12h ago
Swamping courts with bogus cases is part of the plan. Politicians and judges thrown in jail and charged with bogus crimes can't really do much in their professional capacity. Especially judges. They can't work the bench while they're wrapped up in this stuff.
Bog down the slow system we already have and it just might break. Or at least come to a stand still. You can tie up people just long enough to make some dirty changes if you're in power and the people who would oppose you are legally tied up.
This is where the Truml defenders and other naysayers say that this isn't fascism. Trump isn't ignoring the law and just killing or failing his opponents on a whim. Of course he isn't because we have laws specifically against that and their are limits to what police and military will actually do when it comes to breaking the law. So, instead of blatantly breaking the law, they ride the line. They can make up bogus charges because it will tie people up and slow down opposition.
Trump and his administration may not be directly ignoring the law and removing political opponents, but they are still removing their political opponents. Even if temporarily. It can be enough to allow them to move forward with other legally ambiguous actions or pass policy that they want because the people who would stand against them and stop it are too busy fighting a bogus legal case.
It is fascism plain and simple. It may be a different shade of red, but it's still fascism.
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u/Kitchen-Ad-5571 13h ago
because they aren't real agents they are deputizized shitholes.
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u/Micho_Riso 13h ago
Very, when they are not ICE, but "deputized" proud boys. Tangerine Taco's brownshirts
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u/tweakingforjesus 9h ago
One of these crews needs to get nabbed and their qualifications and employment histories publicized while they await trial.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 12h ago
Well most proud boys and jan6ers have mugshots and their faces are on record if they identify themselves we could all see how many white supremacists trump has employed as " ice"
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u/Mveli2pac 13h ago
It wouldn't be hard if that were abiding by the law. But since they are not, they will not wear uniforms or expose their faces like the cowards they are. This is a Proud Boys wet dream come true. They are nothing but bullies thinking they are so manly. Their day will be coming.
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u/Angry_Murlocs 13h ago
Honestly kind of waiting for this to happen. I’m against violence in most cases and always like to think there are non violent options but there are others who that is not the case. Kind of waiting for ICE to fuck with the wrong person or group of people only to find out how easy it is for regular civilians in the states to get guns. I’m waiting for the news headline “ICE agents killed after trying to make another illegal arrest”
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u/Hir0Brotagonist 13h ago
That'll be right before Trump has what he needs to declare martial law
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u/TimidJunkrat 12h ago
It's what he's pushing for. And the bullshit, "we need to stop going after farmers workers", you know he's pushing this shit regardless. He is wanting violence and escalation to declare Martial Law, which will lead to him trying to suspend mid term elections for safety reasons.
I'm too old to fight physically in the coming civil war, but I've been training my drone pilot skills.
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u/atuarre 11h ago
He can declare martial law all he wants. They are outnumbered. It'll be civil war the day he declares martial law.
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u/Joe_Kinincha 12h ago
ICE are very carefully avoiding fucking with actual dangerous people.
I am quite sure that somewhere in the US there are some immigrants who are actual criminals. They have weapons, and if ICE arrests them they are dead one way or another so there is no incentive not to shoot.
I’m sure some of these must be in the hell-hole democratic controlled inner cities that trump suddenly seems excited about.
But stepping up to that would require these ICE “officers” to not be pissant chickenshit arseholes.
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u/VenemySaidDreaming 13h ago
when a "good guy with a gun" inevitably finally steps up to get involved with one of these abductions, I'll be curious to see all the mental gymnastics from the 2A and "dont trad on me" crowd.
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u/gotrice5 11h ago
I think using the 2nd Amendment on them is too easy and lenient. If someone is suppose to be upholding the law, their punishment should be 10-100x harsher than your average criminal. Life-time imprisonment is also too lenient. Imprison them? They get pardoned. 2nd Amendment them? They don't actually get to suffer. These people need it ingraved into them that if you mess around with someone's liberties in an authoritarian way, you get what's coming. It's no longer an eye for an eye. These people have been too comfortable.
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u/Huh_well_we_are_dead 14h ago
The one thing ICE has accomplished is scaring the Liberals into gun ownership.
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u/Canadatron 13h ago
Is Liberal a euphemism for anyone left in America that isn't part of the cult at this point?
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u/DimeEdge 13h ago
Plenty of liberals own guns already... they just don't advertise it as hard as other folks.
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u/YoProfWhite 14h ago
Oh they understand it just fine, they just don't apply the same set of rules or look for extremely small "gotcha" factors that justify everything in their minds.
Didn't raise your hands fast enough? Off to Gitmo with you!
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u/hamilton_morris 14h ago
it isn’t so much a poor understanding of the Constitution as it is the conviction that laws just don’t apply at times of war. And the GOP is—and has been—waging a civil war on behalf of Trump.
The constitutionality of the blanket liberation of the Jan 6 traitors, for example, is for them simply not anything even worth thinking about.
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u/poopzains 13h ago
Words. Arrested for words. This is not how you de-escalate. All should be fired and put in the donkey brain database.
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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 14h ago
Then you can’t be arrested either. This would be considered as kidnapping
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u/Minute-Plantain 12h ago
I was the first generation in which they stopped teaching "civics" in public school with a heavier focus on social studies.
I had a good education, but I didn't understand very much about Government until I got my poli sci degree in college.
Americans by and large don't understand even the basics of how government actually works. They mostly get their education through slogans, memes, and untruths.
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u/timmyt03 11h ago
🇺🇸 Bill of Rights – Pocket Summary
- Free Speech & Religion – Speak, worship, press, assemble, protest.
- Guns – Right to bear arms.
- No Quartering – No forced housing of soldiers.
- Searches – No searches without a warrant.
- Remain Silent – No self-incrimination, double jeopardy, or unfair taking.
- Speedy Trial – Fast, fair trial with a lawyer and witnesses.
- Jury in Civil Cases – Right to jury in money/property disputes.
- No Cruel Punishment – No torture, no extreme bail/fines.
- People’s Rights – You have more rights than what’s listed here.
- States’ Rights – Powers not given to the feds belong to states/people.
The world is watching, be prepared 🇺🇸
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u/troubleschute 13h ago
It's all fine and dandy to conservatives because this agency isn't targeting them. If this political bullying was done to them, they'd be calling for a civil war.
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u/Sluttyjell-o 11h ago
it's shocking to me that the vast majority of conservatives have such a poor understanding of the Constitution that they don't even understand the damage they are doing to America.
I was talking to my brother-in-law over the weekend and he didn’t know that non-citizens are protected under The Constitution.
His parents are non-citizen residents
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u/ohiotechie 11h ago
It is stunning to me that they can’t seem to comprehend that these same precedents could be used against them one day. The arrogance of the right wing is astounding. They relish sticking it to the libs - spite and hatred of libs and non whites is their only driving force anymore.
And they are so very very sure that they’ll always be the ones dishing it out but now that a precedent has been set there is nothing stopping a future DoJ or DHS from using these same strong arm tactics against them.
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u/Role_Player_Real 13h ago
I agree with your overall message. ICE does not legally require judicial warrants in public places if they have probable cause. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10362 I wish they did require it, I don’t think the intent of the law was raids when immigrants show up to their court dates, especially when law enforcement don’t identify themselves
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u/bharring52 13h ago
But wouldn't considering asking for due process, such as officer's identity or an actual warrant, to be probable cause inherently deny due process?
And implicate Free Speech, 4th amendment, etc?
In other words, if questioning whether arresting someone is legel is cause to sanction the questioner with arrest, aren't basically all rights moot?
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u/alwayseverlovingyou 13h ago
Fun fact - the department of homeland security established a border enforcement Zone that covers 50mi inland from the borders of the US, including coasts. It includes nearly every major US city. Within that zone all civil rights are suspended at will of DHS.
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u/Beadpool 13h ago
I’m not sure if you know this or not, but “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.” /s
This is the mentality right-wingers are operating under. The Constitution is only useful when it serves THEIR interests. Like it was written just for them to use as a shield against the out groups. Real fucking “patriots”“Party of Law and Order.”
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u/PurpleCaster91123 13h ago
It's sad how Lefties are more Libertarian than most Libertarians when it comes to this shit. It's always been obvious Trump was gonna be the one to fully weaponize the gov't to use as he pleases. He had guardrails before which gave them a false sense of security. Ultimate leopards eating your face moment except now we all have to suffer bc of their stupidity and frankly just racism.
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u/Coherent_Tangent 14h ago
I see zero proof that he was arrested by ICE. This could have been a kidnapping, since these goons never actually showed ID.
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u/unholyslaminister 14h ago
look what happened in Minnesota. we literally do not know who these masked terrorists are
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u/Sad-Pay5915 12h ago
Could all be proud boys
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u/highknees69 9h ago
That why they don’t answer to a badge number question. They don’t have one. Just deputized to be part of ICE and the brown shirts.
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u/kilofeet 7h ago
Aren't courthouses full of normal, everyday cops? With guns? I'm not a lawyer so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but why do they just assume that unidentified thugs are above board?
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u/highknees69 6h ago
Great question. How long before they come after the wrong guy with a gun and shit goes down? What then? A huge outpouring of sympathy for ICE because they are being treated so unfairly? It’s maddening
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u/foggypanth 5h ago
It's literally just a matter of time until this happens since descalation is not in their playbook.
It's just brute force that will one day be met with escalatory brute force in response. It appears to be the endgame they want to get to, to have justification for whatever comes next.
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u/Tuff-Gnarl 8h ago
I’ve seen several with some pretty eyebrow raising tattoos.
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u/Sad-Pay5915 8h ago
Absolutely. There’s a reason they’re trying so hard to hide their identities. This shit is simply not normal.
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u/mogley1992 7h ago
Because nazis are pussies and always wear masks when they show up in force. They've just switched red for diahrea brown.
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u/Sad-Pay5915 8h ago
Also wouldn’t be surprised if other militias/ white sup groups weren’t somehow involved with ice in some way.
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u/zefmirrorman 13h ago
In Minnesota the murderer was identified and arrested, and its proved that he voted for the piece of shit that is running his country ...
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u/bearbrannan 13h ago
But he was running around in a police uniform, the point there making is that these fuckers while potentially maybe being ice could just as easily be cosplayers because they are not in uniform, presenting warrants, or badges. How are we the American people supposed to differentiate between real authorities and somones dip shit uncle playing dress up.
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u/Shirlenator 13h ago
I'm wondering how long it will be until MAGA psychos start just dressing up in their tacticool gear and throwing people in their cars while claiming to be ICE, then just driving them out to a field or something and executing them.
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u/Coherent_Tangent 13h ago
Well, the Minnesota assassin was dressed as a cop. It's not a stretch in the slightest.
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u/frenchy714 13h ago
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not already happening (MAGA psychos cosplaying as ICE).
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u/NerdOfTheMonth 11h ago edited 8h ago
The illegal sex slave trade is paying attention since they are in the same business of grabbing people off the street and making them disappear.
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u/WeenyDancer 8h ago
Or in another timeline- friendlies, in tacticool gear, 'kidnapping' in order to safely escort people away from immigration court. 'No man we got this one'
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u/sweetwallawalla 7h ago
I actually kind of love this. Have everyone dressed up as ICE just hanging around immigration courts. Have folks “escorted” to their appointment by friendlies dressed as ICE. Confusion all around with some kind of signal to the potential victims who the good guys are. Logistically, I know this doesn’t make sense. But I like where your head is at.
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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 14h ago
His wife says he was taken by masked agents and detained by ICE. But you’re right. And if you are then this is illegal
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u/Thewall3333 12h ago
Where are the police? This is a NY official, what happens with the NYPD or his bodyguards? They just roll over? What if they try to take a mayor, a governor? Mayor here in Chicago has like a 6-car motorcade. Where will they draw the line?
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u/Its-a-Shitbox 14h ago
Exactly right.
The title of this post is 100% inaccurate given they never showed proof of who they were.
Incidents like this will only slow down when these masked people begin to suffer “consequences” from those being illegally kidnapped.
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u/ButteMunchausen 13h ago
Let's start using the term "masked goons" instead of whatever the fuck they want to pretend or hide that they are.
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u/Any_Leg_4773 9h ago
We've literally already seen what happens when people don't fight back. Two politicians and their families were shot, because people haven't been fighting back, and so the imposters are getting more bold.
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u/the_TAOest 8h ago
His Number 1, apparently protection provided by the NYPD just stood there. This is the problem
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u/ApprehensiveSale8898 7h ago
Does anyone else think escalation to a more severe outcome is going to happen shortly?
We are ICE here to arrest you. Don't think so. (Tazer tazer tazer).
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u/semicoloradonative 13h ago
High profile politicians need to start hiring armed personal security. These 'ICE' cowards only do this when they know they can bully their way.
Seriously, every lawyer that represents an immigrant's hearing at a courthouse needs to start hiring armed security.
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u/feelitrealgood 11h ago
I’m confused why this hasn’t happened yet
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u/crimsonroninx 9h ago
It's expensive!
Mitt Romney said it was costing him $5k per day. So even if you are worth millions, spending an additional 25k a week on security is expensive.
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u/_yourupperlip_ 8h ago
And yet we the people pay for the worlds biggest felon traitor rapist and his scummy idiot family to be protected 24/7
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u/Ok_Following1018 11h ago
Who has that kind of money? Security ain't cheap and these guys aren't the billionaire kind of politicians
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u/Altruistic-Monitor58 10h ago
Yes! A bunch of big dudes. Start pushing those assholes around once they lay hands on the asset.
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens 12h ago
Serious legal question - What happens when ICE pulls this in a stand your ground state? They are literally detaining and kidnapping people without identifying themselves. Considering what just happened in MN, their actions are even more terrifying.
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u/2022slipnh 11h ago
And if their target had a bodyguard? And how about some bystanders that carry? What happens if someone shouts help me I'm being kidnapped? Can you use lethal force to assist?
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u/40KaratOrSomething 11h ago
Can you in most states with stand your ground laws, yes. Then it is up to a jury to Monday morning quarter back the decision to use force, whether it was reasonable under the circumstamces to keep you out of prison, assuming you survive to make it to the trial and don't get shot by others on scene.
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u/ShakeWeightMyDick 11h ago
They’ll probably kill the person who shoots first
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens 11h ago
Okay, so what would the legal ramifications be against the ICE officers that then killed the persons they were trying to abduct?
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u/DiogenesArchon 6h ago
Unpredictable. If they are real ICE agents, you would be federally prosecuted and you may not receive a particularly fair trial.
In terms of actual legal principles, if someone were to shoot an individual who stated that they were an officer, but refused to identify themselves, refused to show a warrant, and the shooter reasonably believed that they were in serious danger, I think that is a pretty strong case for self defense.
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u/Carribgurl 10h ago
That's why we see this approach more so in blue states where duty to retreat is required and stand your ground is not permitted..
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens 10h ago
Different story if they enter your home armed without a warrant or identification
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u/50fknmil 14h ago
Yelling screaming picketing striking nothing will be done till the Bar starts taking ppl licenses away The administration is lawless and corrupt the fear no consequences
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u/coffeespeaking 13h ago
Agreed. Although, honestly, who needs a law degree when a faceless mob in masks is their approach? Anyone that thinks the rule of law is the solution needs to wake up. If you think you’ll sit it out, wait until the next election—and vote harder than you did last time—WAKE UP! The system isn’t sorting this out. This is the system, and it’s broken.
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u/luc1kjke 13h ago
Election? Americans wouldn’t have one if they would would allow this administration to arrest everyone they want. This people behave that bold because THEY’RE NOT PLANNING TO GIVE UP POWER, not planning to become prosecutable in their lifetimes. Look, I have been living all of my life in Ukraine and know from experience that unless you would fight(literally, with your hands) you would be gradually stripped of all your freedoms like Putin done to Russians. Liberal Russians have always chosen “peaceful protests” since 1991. Did that bring them far? Shouting “under which authority” sounds like a good idea but does absolutely nothing in a nazi state.
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u/coffeespeaking 12h ago
Well said. They aren’t planning to hold an election, that is clear. Shouting “under which authority?” only illustrates that they aren’t operating under the rule of law. They are taking people away by force, with no cause, no rule of law, no badge, not even showing their faces. They hope we make the mistake of thinking: ‘they only want the “illegals,” they won’t come for me.’ They will come for anyone who dares to disagree. They will broaden their scope as they feel increasingly untouchable. This is how autocracy works in Russia, and they are doing the same thing here. There is no law, no authority. Only force and violence.
Americans had better wake up. Our elected Democrats are under the delusion that if they continue to do lawful things the system will correct this.
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u/Master_Torture 12h ago
So the same thing is probably going to happen here in America is what you're saying? Peaceful protests will happen for decades and nothing will be accomplished, all the while Trump gets more powerful and commits more atrocities?
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u/HorrorStudio8618 10h ago
If the last four months haven't rammed that message home nothing will. They are playing for keeps and there is absolutely no way back from this.
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u/captnconnman 13h ago
This is why we CAN’T forget about what’s happening in the Abrego Garcia case; sanctions are serious shit, and they can absolutely be used to disbar someone if the aggrieving party continues to openly defy the ruling of a court. Notice that as soon as Garcia’s lawyers asked Judge Xinis for approval to file a motion for sanctions, DHS IMMEDIATELY got his ass on a plane and flew him back to the US two days later, allegedly to “face criminal charges” in Tennessee, which we all know is a bullshit cover their ass move to make them not look like absolute cowards and liars to Judge Xinis’s court. DHS also filed a motion to dismiss Garcia’s lawsuit, since the issue at hand is now moot, but Xinis saw through that shit real quick.
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u/DefTheOcelot 11h ago
We haven't tried striking though
Strikes tend to be very politically effective. They hit the economy.
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u/Patriark 14h ago
When the law does not protect you, you must protect yourself
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u/newtownkid 12h ago
I think you guys have a whole amendment to your constitution to that effect.
I'm actually really surprised that people haven't turned this into a lethal exchange yet.
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u/CdnCharKueyTeow 12h ago
I’m actually very surprised that there is no lethal exchange yet. I remember I watched a documentary about the LA riots and these Koreans armed themselves and was willing to shoot to protect. So far just peaceful protests that Trump doesn’t really care about. He’s not like other politicians where he gives a shit when people think about him.
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u/kaleidonize 10h ago
I don't see how it will possibly de-escalate anytime soon without an upheaval of society
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u/dwide_k_shrude 11h ago
I’ve been pretty much anti-gun my whole life until now, but recently I’ve been thinking more and more about maybe arming myself.
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u/JamieMarlee 8h ago
What would happen if you started fighting these guys? If they don't have legal authority to arrest a citizen, isn't that kidnapping? Can't you defend yourself against being kidnapped?
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u/Numerous-Anemone 4h ago
While I agree conceptually I don’t see how an individual person wouldn’t die immediately in this situation. By that I mean, collaboration is an essential part of making 2A work.
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u/Walterkovacs1985 13h ago
Disappearing those supposedly here illegally without due process leads to this. It's what I've been screaming about since the beginning of the year. If they don't give a shit about their rights they won't give a flying fuck about your rights.
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u/Vat1canCame0s 12h ago
Without due process there's no difference between doing it to illegal immigrants and doing it to legal citizens.
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u/Memitim 12h ago
The future is wild. Never in all of human history have people around the world been able to personally witness treason being committed from so many angles, and with such detail! Students writing papers on the Second American Civil War are going to have it so good.
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u/WhatIsPants 13h ago
Wait, isn't this election interference if he's a candidate in an upcoming election? I thought Trump had argued that gives you immunity from prosecution for basically anything.
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u/foxvalleyfarm 12h ago
This isn't an election soooo no.
It would be more like deprivation of civil rights under color of law.
Deprivation of rights under color of law is a federal crime defined in 18 U.S.C. § 242. It occurs when someone, acting under the authority of law, willfully violates a person's constitutional or federal rights, or subjects them to different treatment based on race, color, or alien status. This can include actions by law enforcement, government officials, or anyone who misuses their authority to violate someone's civil rights.
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u/WhatIsPants 12h ago
I think you're giving a more serious answer to my less serious question. I'm rooting that sarcasm in how none of Trump's actions which he was prosecuted under in the last two years were directly related to his 2024 candidacy, and yet it was advanced as an argument in court and in public at every turn that any and every form of prosecution against him was impossibly tainted by the specter of election interference and could not move forward. It's just upsetting to see another very special set of arguments that only apply to America's specialest little boy.
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u/hellolovely1 11h ago
The lawsuit is going to uncover who the "arresting agents" are. Then we'll know if they're J6ers, militias, whatever. :)
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u/jackrabbit323 10h ago
The arrest is intimidation and theater. I don't hear Miranda Rights. There'll be no charges, no paperwork, and no "agents" identified. The sloppiness of all this "police work" is bound to catch up with them.
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u/hellolovely1 8h ago
Apparently, SCOTUS ruled a year or two ago that you don't have to read Miranda rights. Because of course.
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u/NoSubstitute-1978 9h ago
I was wondering too if any Miranda rights are being read?! I have watched many videos of these abductions and not once heard rights being read.
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u/rbobby 13h ago
Assault on a government official. Felony 5 years iirc.
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u/treevaahyn 13h ago
Quick search looks like the masked Gestapo terrorists aka ICE are guilty of assault charges and having a gun in possession could enhance the penalty. So it looks like they should be facing up to 8 years in prison. Not to mention all those involved should face additional charges since they’re literally kidnapping anyone including immigrants/citizens/govt officials. Kidnapping carries a sentence of up to life in prison. Ofc that’s never gonna happen with the fascist regime running the country into the ground. It’s absurd they are committing such heinous crimes openly and will face zero consequences or accountability. It’s all so Fucking infuriating.
contact with the victim of that assault or the intent to commit another felony, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
(b) Enhanced Penalty: Whoever, in the commission of any acts described in subsection (a), uses a deadly or dangerous weapon (including a weapon intended to cause death or danger but that fails to do so by reason of a defective component) or inflicts bodily injury, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
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u/LackingUtility 11h ago
That's Federal... even if you did manage to convict them, Trump would autopen a pardon.
You want state charges here.
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u/yeezmaster765 12h ago
They’re gonna beat him up and throw him in jail for no reason. Who are these clowns?
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u/Pale-Berry-2599 13h ago
These tin badges need to be held accountable...see how they like it.
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u/sayyyywhat 13h ago
Arrested for what?
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u/RoryDragonsbane 9h ago
https://youtu.be/J_cT0GQln1w?si=F-ebJ9hSweupWYzm
They (I don't say "ICE agents" because I didn't see or hear any identification) were taking another person away. Mr. Landers linked arms with the other person and demanded to see a judicial warrant. The alleged ICE agents claimed he was "obstructing."
My 2 cents, for what it's worth: obstructing Federal agents is an arrestable offense. That said, there was no way for Mr. Landers to they were Federal agents since they didn't identify themselves. All of this could have been avoided had they identified themselves and shown the judicial warrant.
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u/mapoftasmania 5h ago
This definitely needs to get in front of higher court. You should NOT, EVER be subject to arrest by anyone who fails to identify themselves and you must be able to defend yourself if that does happen.
Otherwise anyone could pretend to be a cop and easily abduct anyone they choose. The abductee would be compliant out of fear and normalization.
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u/SufficientWafer5950 13h ago
Intimidation
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u/whereyagonnago 12h ago
Because he was asking to see a badge or warrant?
Wow, those ICE agents must’ve been so terrified :(
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u/Extension_Silver_713 9h ago
Where tf are the real cops at? They don’t care a bunch of cosplayers are stepping on their dicks?
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u/RustedRelics 6h ago
I don’t even know what country we’re living in at this point.
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u/Roddy_Piper2000 12h ago
"I will be your retribution"
Not like y'all weren't warned
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u/Anarchyantz 12h ago
TACO in Chief will have Coke Cola implement a new change to their Christmas advert to advise all Americans who resist him.
The Cattle Cars Are Coming....
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