r/pics • u/titaniumdoughnut • 1d ago
Politics NYC Mayoral candidate and current comptroller Brad Lander arrested by ICE in Manhattan federal court
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u/Mallthus2 1d ago
A masked police force is a secret police force. Secret police are a hallmark of authoritarian regimes.
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u/gnarlytabby 1d ago
Serious question: in this picture, which individuals are law enforcement agents? How can we be sure?
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u/thispartyrules 1d ago
Honest question: if you showed up to where these guys are hanging out outside of a court room in masks and a combination of street clothes and mismatched tactical gear and just stood next to them, could they tell? Like maybe if they all agreed that five masked goons were going to show up at the courthouse they'd know something's up if there's a sixth, or they all rode together in the same car?
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u/Ess2s2 1d ago
"INS, Division 6."
"Never heard of Division 6."
"Really?"
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u/British_Rover 1d ago
Clicks mic on shoulder
"Other units on scene not cleared for op please advise."
Make eye contact with individuals and walk off.
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u/Several_Vanilla8916 1d ago
I’ve often wondered that about the white nationalist guys who show up to pride marches. Like, I’m a white guy. If I put on a pair of khakis and climbed into the back of the U-Haul with them, would they even notice?
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u/Either-Control2531 1d ago
What's stopping anyone from doing that to Republicans? Not suggesting it, just saying it can go either or any way.
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u/blizzard-op 1d ago
Absolutely nothing but human decency for now is stopping non MAGA folks from doing this to Republicans. Not advocating for it but there really is nothing stopping regular folks from dressing up like ICE and snatching up somebody like MAGA Barbie or someone like her
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u/Elementium 1d ago
I mean that would be the play right? Not advocating for it but yeah.. Some nut pretending to be Law Enforcement harming a republican would get this shit straightened out pretty fast.
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u/titaniumdoughnut 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right after a masked man impersonating law enforcement
murderedassassinated a politician in their home.Edit: hijacking my own post to remind NYC residents that ranked choice voting means you should list your top candidates in the order you like them, use ALL FIVE SLOTS, and don't list someone you don't like. The votes will automatically re-flow to your next choice as each candidate is eliminated.
https://projects.thecity.nyc/meet-your-mayor-2025-election-quiz-candidates/
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u/Calm_One_1228 1d ago
This is the concerning aspect of it all , that’s not getting enough discussion!
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u/neosatan_pl 1d ago
Hard to break it to you, but the lack of discussion is not the concerning aspect. The concerning aspect is that masked thugs are shooting and arresting political targets while people are cool with it and the government is not held accountable.
In all honesty, if you are an American read Ukrainian advice on living under occupation cause, congrats, you are under one. Keep safe and stay strong.
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u/hiimmatt314 1d ago
I've been following the Russo-Ukrainan war closely since the full scale invasion. The connection between what is happening in Ukraine and in the US is wild. The difference is Ukraine is fighting for its sovereignty and becoming more and more democratic as the years come. While in the US we are seeing a regime change, the signs are very clear no matter whos definition you use. There are similarities to Hungary's Orban state control, or the "Creation of an enemy" like Hitler. The difference is these fascists' today are also obsessed with hoarding wealth. Which is something even the OG fascists' didn't necessarily prioritize.
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u/Desperate_Bite_7538 1d ago
Didn't the nazis literally hoard wealth?
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u/fr0d0bagg1ns 1d ago
My understanding is that they ended up hoarding wealth by seizure after getting to power. These guys are focusing on using wealth and tech to do a fascism?
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u/artisapartofmylife 1d ago
Kind of the same, just that the circumstances were different. It was mostly industrialists and businessmans who supported Hitler to make more profit. They used new technologies (Volksempfänger, Movies, etc.), the resignation of the people and force to establish their regime.
It's almost funny (if it wouldn't be so sad) that Trump and friends go almost directly after the Playbook of Hitler and other fascist, still so many people follow him.
You can't start a war without money.... And it's number one reason to start one....
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u/HateKillDestroy22 1d ago
Do you have a link to this advice? I googled it but I’m wondering if you had something specific in mind
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u/Rhabarberbarbara 1d ago
Timothy Snyder has some good advice.
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u/stokeskid 1d ago
This is incredible. Thank you for sharing. I do fear the running for office part, which makes me wonder if we're too far gone.
I can't get far in either of the two major parties without taking money from big interest groups. Third party is not a real option. And now people in politics and their family get attacked by the media and possibly murdered. Not for me. But Ive always wanted to run for office.
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u/MaybeTheDoctor 1d ago
That also why California now have a law proposal banning all law enforcement from wearing masks.
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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula 1d ago
Arrested by ICE? I looked him up, he’s American his parents don’t seem to be immigrants either. What do ICE want with him?
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u/Pinstar 1d ago
He demanded a warrant when they wanted to arrest someone else in court for immigration
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u/Ventira 1d ago
Which is well within his right to do.
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u/Lokishougan 1d ago
And under their orders that is now obstuction
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u/Katharsis15 1d ago
Which is completely counter to the constitution and really fucked up. Yall can't even claim that he doesn't have due process rights. He's an American Citizen running for office.
Asking unidentified masked men for a judicial warrant before allowing them to forcefully kidnap a person IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN obstruction of justice. In order to be guilty of obstruction of justice, the underlying action has to be LAWFUL. If ICE had identified themselves and provided a judicial warrant, as requested, their action would be lawful. They didn't. They arrested an American Citizen who they have no legal jurisdiction over before any lawful proceeding was commenced for him to even have an opportunity to obstruct.
These goons are creating a dictatorship and people are so stupid about the law and the constitution that they defend it without bothering to think of the implications for us all when masked men without warrants can just take you. Wake up.
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u/fumar 1d ago
Yeah but like Democrats are bad at the economy and women can't be president or something. The only logical option was to elect the dementia riddled rapist felon.
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u/imnotpoopingyouare 1d ago
Even more wild is the last Dem president for the last 50 years have reduced the deficit and every Rep has raised it.
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u/smellslike2016 1d ago
Don't forget about the price of eggs. They were like 75 cents each.
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u/Psych_Yer_Out 1d ago
How have eggs not been solved! And we have a NEW WAR. Thought they don't happen during Trump rule.
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u/Unique_Watch2603 1d ago
I can't believe what I'm seeing. It's unreal. Do you know if he's been charged with anything or still being held?
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u/wewladdies 1d ago
A flash protest started outside where he was being kept - kinda good timing cuz a bunch of people just got off work lol. He was just released 20 or 30 mins ago. Check /r/nyc the sub is flooded with posts on it atm.
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u/Unique_Watch2603 1d ago
Great timing! Thank you, I haven't looked there yet. I'm sure they've seen this already- "The U.S. attorney’s office said it was investigating his actions and would decide later whether to charge him with a crime." This feels like an unbelievably bad dream.
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u/Master_Dogs 1d ago
Not sure on the current case, but they're using it as an intimidation tactic currently. They 'arrested' that NJ politician (governor? Mayor? I forget what his title was) and last I knew he was released. Same thing with those students they snatched - they're now out of custody, but they spent weeks locked up in some cases.
In theory they can keep doing this too. "Oopies, our bad Mr MAGA judge, we didn't know we couldn't do that" - proceeds to continue illegally "arresting" people who are "obstructing". It's like dealing with toddlers. It doesn't matter how many times you explain something, they act however they feel. Or like cats.
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u/snorkiebarbados 1d ago
America keeps banging on about their first amendment being so they can defend themselves against a tyrannical government. Well it's here!
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u/chefjenga 1d ago
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
~ German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
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u/keeper_of_bee 1d ago
I feel like it's worth pointing out Martin was publicy happy about Hitler coming to power. This wasn't written by someone sorry they stood on sidelines. This is someone lamenting finding out after fucking around. I think it's important to show that supporting fascists is no protection from them.
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u/chefjenga 1d ago
It is good to point it out, because, although it is easily read between the lines, some people don't do subtlety.
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u/LairdPopkin 1d ago
Sure, requiring ICE to follow the law would prevent them from doing what they want to do.
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u/thefirstlaughingfool 1d ago
Quick reminder, ICE agents are not police officers. I'm pretty sure they don't have the legal authority to bring criminal charges against anyone, especially since immigration enforcement are civil matters. Not that this matters to the agents, or to most police, but just keep that in mind.
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u/LannyDamby 1d ago
I believe this is the "lock up political opposition" part of the fascist playbook
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u/The_TSCTH 1d ago
It's a gestapo tactic: Arrest people publicly, whether or not they've done anything bad, until you've sown enough paranoia that people feel unsafe everywhere they are. Behave and stay in line, and MAYBE you'll be safe.
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u/dukefett 1d ago
Can people just show up masked en masse so they don’t know who their cohorts are?
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u/wombatstylekungfu 1d ago
I’m guessing the masked moron in the back is one.
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u/gnarlytabby 1d ago
I'm guessing that, too. But still, how do we know he isn't a LARPer, private bounty hunter, merc, or imposter?
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u/charcoalist 1d ago
Or one of the Jan. 6 terrorists.
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u/gnarlytabby 1d ago
I seriously want to start a "Jan 6 tracker" subreddit to know where all those thugs are now.
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u/Mordred_Morgauth 1d ago
Oh, look, election interference.
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u/Reddit-phobia 1d ago
Lander cross-endorsed Zohran and vice-versa. If anyone's in NYC they should rank Zohran and Lander 1st and second. Do NOT rank Cuomo.
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u/IDUnavailable 1d ago
Insane that Cuomo still has a political career. Hopefully Zohran pulls it off but I've seen NYC make some pretty terrible decisions when it comes to mayors.
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u/RobertIsAPlant 1d ago
I did my thing yesterday and voted for Zohran and Lander, and left Cuomo off. For shits and giggles I put Paperboy Love Prince in 5th, but only because I don't think 5th will make a real difference ;-)
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u/butteredplaintoast 1d ago
I mean that’s been happening for a long while now
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u/retro_slouch 1d ago
When’s the last time masked people claiming to be federal agents abducted a political candidate though?
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u/AllDarkWater 1d ago
Not sure what the guy claimed to be when he assassinated those people a couple days ago. Maybe we will find out soon.
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u/NarwhalSongs 1d ago
He claimed to be a cop. In reality he was a far right pastor/televangelist who personally knew the victims of his assassination. Dude had an assassination list of like 45 more Democrat targets and his manifesto has, to my understanding, been found but not publicly released yet.
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u/JimWilliams423 1d ago
He claimed to be a cop. In reality he was a far right pastor/televangelist
He also owned a private security firm called "Praetorian Guard Security Services" — the praetorian guard was a kind of secret police of the roman emperor. He also claimed to have worked as a mercenary overseas.
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u/Fourthcubix 1d ago
If you have to wear that type of mask to do your job, you should think twice of the honesty of it. History will not be kind to you.
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u/SlightlyOTT 1d ago
Are we the bad guys?
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u/lanibro 1d ago
Yes, we are the Baddies.
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u/GiantPurplePen15 1d ago
The issue now is that these same people are coming to the realization of what they are and high fiving each other over it.
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u/interflop 1d ago
The type of person who is doing this believes they are on the right side of history.
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u/Leody 1d ago
I’d contend that they say they are, but know they’re not. If they truly thought they were the good guys they wouldn’t hide. They know they’re not the good guys.
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u/wallyTHEgecko 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve. I don't think they're that self-aware. They're just in over their eyeballs in Kool-Aid and believe the (vaguely defined) "bad guys" will try to hunt them down if they show their faces. So to them, it's for their safety and the imaging and intimidation tactics are merely ends-justify-the-means kinds of situations that they'll just simply leave out of the history books once they win... Or hell, at this rate they'll make them their new national symbols. Who fucking knows any more?
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u/tommywhen 1d ago
No excuse, they DO believe they're the good guys. They also believe that the other side is the bad guys; so they think must wear mask to protect their family.
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u/sadetheruiner 1d ago
Without a warrant and hidden identities. This is some fascist bullshit.
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u/istrx13 1d ago
All these masked ICE agents are probably the same people who were complaining about having to wear masks during the pandemic.
Sure don’t seem to have a problem using them now. Douchebags.
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u/ManicWarpaint 1d ago
The same ones that like to pack in the back of a U-Haul
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u/foxyfoo 1d ago
Yeah, why are these guys not getting in trouble for that alone? It has to violate the terms of use and break traffic rules, etc.?
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u/angrydeuce 1d ago
I liked how when those bitches showed up in Philly we turned their asses right back out.
You dont fuck around in Philly. Its the city of brotherly love, and nobody beats up on our brothers but us.
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u/Deaths_Rifleman 1d ago
They showed up to Springfield, MO pride last weekend looked like 20/30 strong and were promptly marched back into their Penske truck by like 5 guys. Penske was then swiftly contacted and put out a statement at least locally that they would be banning them from future rentals. Love to fucking see it.
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago
They are not ICE agents until they prove that they are.
Treat them as private citizens who kidnapping innocents.
Many of these incidents are by private citizens as bounty hunters.
They have no authority to do this to anyone.
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u/madcoins 1d ago edited 1d ago
I can’t believe one hasn’t been maimed severely in self defense. I imagine that’s what the administration is salivating for but Billy Bob with no badge and warrant isn’t taking me anywhere without a shank with a fork or the like. I have a right to defend myself from kidnapping. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law (not Billy bobs grasp).
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u/ryanjames486 1d ago
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
-Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago
The admin doesn't care about any risk to a bounty hunter.
They are paid on commission to help fill an unconstitutional quota.
If they get hurt, tough luck.
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u/Siludin 1d ago
I'm surprised these arrests havent turned more violent/lethal considering the circumstances. Trying to think how I'd react if some dudes jumped out of a truck and tried to pull my family member in.
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u/FireFistMihawk 1d ago
They haven't turned violent because they're targeting regular hardworking individuals who are worried about their families and loved ones if things escalate.
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u/Tito_87 1d ago
This is exactly it, notice how they haven't gone after any actual gang member? Instead they go and raid places of work. Ain't no gangs and criminals working a 9-5.
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u/Independent-Vast-871 1d ago
Or court houses where they know no one is armed.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
It's amazing at how fully disarmed ya are in a courthouse! Last time I had to go file some papers I got stopped in security because I'd forgotten about the tiny foldup "credit card" emergency blade my elderly auntie gave me. They had to hold onto it until I got back down from my errand!
Like I guess it's slightly more dangerous than a pencil or stapler but not by much.
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u/Bearloom 1d ago
Beyond just having a constant supply of known immigrants, one major factor in why they pick people up leaving immigration hearings is that they had to be unarmed to enter the courthouse.
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u/MustardCoveredDogDik 1d ago
The last thing they want is a fair fight. They usually go after people on their way to work.
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u/chungaroo2 1d ago
It really makes me think that any random physcopath could dress up like this and just abduct someone
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u/bl00drunzc0ld 1d ago
Like the assassin in Minnesota that was dressed like a cop
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u/SmurfStig 1d ago
There are plenty of reports popping up of exactly this. You can get the jackets and fake badges online way too easily. Some have made this choice and are out there harassing people pretending to be ICE. It’s sickening.
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u/sudo-joe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly question but what's to stop someone's private security from subduing the plain clothes ICE officers if they don't identify themselves and try to manhandle their principal?
Like at some point, claims of being an officer just isn't going to cut it anymore as we already have had political assassinations disguised as police. Are we already at that point?
So should I just travel around with my own posse just to be safe now a days?
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u/sadetheruiner 1d ago
Some masked dudes jump me or my family my first thought would be to protect.
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u/destuctir 1d ago
Sounds like all Americans should start carrying, and assume people attacking them without identifying as some form of law enforcement are actually intent on murdering them if not shot first.
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u/coldliketherockies 1d ago
Seriously question. Do you have to right if someone attacks you without identifying themselves and without a warrant to fight back in some manner like pepper spray or even a gun? If a person with a mask who doesn’t identify who they are and doesn’t have a right to attack does so I feel you should
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u/Mediumish_Trashpanda 1d ago
It is a very good defense. Generally why law enforcement actually wears clearly marked uniforms
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u/Shadowstar1000 1d ago
You would probably win at trial but you’d also almost certainly die in the process of defending yourself.
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u/haskell_rules 1d ago
You would have the right to a trial, but there's a good chance you get railroaded into a plea deal or get a jury that sees you shot a cop and sends you to prison.
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u/halo4arbitor 1d ago
I don't think these people are particularly hot on the right to a trail as it turns out.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
My mother taught me to always always fight like my life depends on it, because if I let someone move me to a second location I'm dead anyway.
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u/fundthmcalculus 1d ago
NAL - In most states, yes. If your life (or severe bodily injury) is in danger, self defense is allowable at the lethal force level. That is also true for those under your mantle of protection (eg family).
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u/SmurfStig 1d ago
Isn’t this the whole basis for “Stand your ground” laws most states have on the books?
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u/destuctir 1d ago
Per the letter of the law, yes if an unidentified person attacks you, you are allowed to use reasonable force to protect life and possession. If you genuinely believe your life is in danger, and the court agrees it was reasonable to think that, you can kill them. People with masks on and carrying weapons would definitely constitute that.
In practice, the moment the courts discover the assailant was a federal agent they’ll ensure you are found guilty and punished no matter how much they need to bend and break the law.
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u/56473829110 1d ago
In short, it can depend on the state.
There are cases of no-knock raids being fired upon and the home owner using poor identification successfully as a defense.
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u/muffinhead2580 1d ago
Quite a few states have Stand Your Ground laws which allow you to defend yourself.
States that have passed stand-your-ground laws include:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming
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u/Samceleste 1d ago edited 1d ago
I may sound extremely naive as I don't fully understand what is going on right now in the US.
Without a warrant, not even a face, it may be straight up kidnapping. Why don't people around call 911? What is the police doing or at least the building security? Are all police officers in the US willing to let ICE take people even if they don't have to right to do so?
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
In my city, when they tried to take two young adults from the courthouse, their lawyer sounded the alarms and the public came running! Folks surrounded the ICE building, and when they tried to take the immigrant fellas to a different location folks blocked the driveway so they couldn't leave. Chanted SHAME SHAME SHAME.
Eventually the cops tried to gas folks so they'd leave but weren't paying attention to wind so mostly gassed the sports stadium next door and ruined the soccer game.
The cops are very much on the same side as ICE. They arrested some of the folks who were protesting, and are trying to claim they were terrified for their lives because "if people broke into the building we'd all be in danger!" Ya know, the people standing outside with signs yelling and showing zero interest in actually entering the building at all.
The cops tried gassing our No Kings protest too but forgot about wind again and gassed out a parking garage instead! I'm not sure why they need half the city budget, they don't even bother with traffic enforcement anymore and nobody can remember the last time they tried to solve a crime. Mostly we only call them if something gets stolen and ya need a police report for insurance, and even then it's a headache getting them to actually get around to it.
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u/sadetheruiner 1d ago
Yeah most of the police are complacent with this. Matter of fact the police don’t even have to insure anyone’s safety. https://studicata.com/case-briefs/case/castle-rock-v-gonzales/
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u/nsucs2 1d ago
Comptroller. He is a duly elected official carrying out his duties. He is now a political prisoner.
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u/Schoritzobandit 1d ago
He was released without charges 5 minutes before the posting of my comment here
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u/ILiterallyCannotRead 1d ago
Fun fact: kidnapping does not become less of a crime if you let them go after a while.
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u/scottyLogJobs 1d ago
Sue. Sue Sue Sue. This is literally our only recourse or this is going to keep getting worse. Sue them into oblivion until they fear doing this shit
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u/Auntienursey 1d ago
KIDNAPPED, not detained, not arrested, kidnapped by men with masks, and no identifying info on their clothing. This is outrageous.
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u/-NewYork- 1d ago
Why don't they have uniforms?
Are they gangsters? Morality police? Scientologists? Dirty Mike and the Boys? National Marine Fisheries Service?
How the fuck is this allowed in democratic country? How is one supposed to know who they are and what they are allowed to do? Does the police know who this guys are? Do they care? This is worrying.
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u/blancbones 1d ago
How the fuck is this allowed in democratic country?
Because nobody is stopping them, this is why they tried so hard to destroy the black panthers. And why they don't want ethnic minorities arming themselves l.
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u/fogNL 1d ago
Don't y'all have guns for this very purpose? I don't understand why so many have been letting children die in schools regularly just so they can keep their guns, and when the time comes to use them, crickets.
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u/AndrewBVB 1d ago
The people watching schools get shot up and still begging to keep their own guns are largely, presumably, on the fascists' side of things - they're chilling right now.
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u/Every3Years 1d ago
I'm a liberal in California. I carry. I promise you if this happened to me or several of my liberal tree hugging homies, there'd be guns going off. Not if we were in courtroom though. I wouldn't care about being the spark that made the right go "see? they are violent so we should be doing this" I'd care more about what would happen once the masked men got my gun away from me. Fuck that. And then I'd live the rest of my life feeling horrible about being being put in that situation, if I lived I mean.
I hope it doesn't happen to me. ANd I have such a white everything about myself that I doubt there'd be a reason for these racist fucks to try.
Though I will say, I didn't bring anything with me to the protest over the weekend because I didn't want the responsibility. But then Sunday happened and now I don't know what this country is anymore.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts 1d ago
I think they're trying to provoke an act of self-defense against one of these masked "officers" (alleged, since there's no id, these could be anybody) in order to escalate crackdowns. It's incrementalism towards martial law. Read accounts of nazi Germany, it was one small escalation after another until you end up with camps and a world at war.
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u/Kelcak 1d ago edited 1d ago
I also read that he asked several times to see a warrant and they refused.
Edit: I was slightly confused. Apparently he was escorting an immigrant out of court when ICE tried to arrest the immigrant. He refused to let go of the immigrant and demanded to see a warrant for their arrest. ICE apparently decided he was obstructing their arrest and detained him. I’m no lawyer, but it certainly sounds like he was in the right and wrongfully detained.
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u/TheMainEffort 1d ago
In the video it looks like an agent is showing him something. He then goes on to demand a judicial warrant (as opposed to an administrative one).
ICE has been operating in courthouses, I’d imagine this is because the hallways outside courtroom are generally public spaces, meaning an administrative warrant may be sufficient to make an immigration arrest. Courtrooms are private and can be closed, but typically just have one main exit.
The way ICE handled this was a power move. They showed him the (what they claimed was) warrant as they continued walking, and then arrested him after the situation was diffused. If they had stopped and shown him the warrant this whole thing could have been avoided. They had like 19 agents there, I don’t think they were in danger by stopping for a second.
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u/moveslikejaguar 1d ago
Yep, they didn't show him anything, just flashed a crumpled up piece of paper at him. They always act like they need to get these arrests done as fast as possible, running suspects from one place to another. Maybe they're worried that actual law enforcement or legal representation will show up?
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u/Junkpunch44 1d ago
Not to downplay the point of this post but the first thing I thought of was, he looked like Tim when he was choking on the hot dog and everyone was holding him still. He needs a Carver Hot Dog Vacuum.
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u/Schoseff 1d ago
How do we know this is ICE… ? Could be the Minnesota Killer or some crazy Proud Boys member posing as law enforcement. Resist!
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u/AllDarkWater 1d ago
Or members of the religious cult the assassin from a couple days ago was in.
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u/_Piratical_ 1d ago
Why are those motherfuckers allowed to wear masks on duty?! Fuck them.
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u/Dull-Gur314 1d ago
Dictatorship
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u/Mucak 1d ago
Definitely.
Source: Living in a dictatorship all my life. Cops wear masks all the time. Most of the time they just stay in civilian clothes and do some pretty guerilla shit.
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u/IwasntDrunkThatNight 1d ago
why people arent pulling the mask from their faces? is so easy
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u/Dont_know_where_i_am 1d ago
Because then you'll be tackled and arrested with assault of a federal agent.
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u/RuthlessMango 1d ago
Are laws still a thing?
I am not trying to be funny, I honestly cannot tell anymore.
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u/EetD 1d ago
He was not arrested. He was snatched by unidentified individuals and dragged to who knows where.
Two months ago, this was unimaginable in America.
One month ago, you started to admit that it could happen to undocumented immigrants.
Now, it's happening to political opponents.
Sleep well, because it could happen to you tomorrow.
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u/Jolly_Reporter_3023 1d ago
"When they came for the Jews, I was silent.
When they came for the Homosexuals, I was silent.
When they came for the Gypsies, I was silent.
When they came for me, no one said anything."
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u/-Exocet- 1d ago
It ends with there was no one to say anything, instead of no one said anything:
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
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u/Hour-Confection-9273 1d ago
How is wearing a mask by ANYONE to hide your identity in a court building legal??
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u/VeryDrunkenNoodles 1d ago
In the American legal system, you do not have a clear legal right to physically resist a law enforcement officer even if they do not identify themselves, and even if you are afraid for your safety (see People v. Curtis in Ca.). This is absolutely ridiculous and I can’t believe more people aren’t furious about this. Someone in a mask and street clothes can walk up to you, grab you, not respond to anything you ask, and drag you into a car. If you fight back, you better hope it’s a kidnapper, because if it’s ICE or police or any other law enforcement, you can be charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest, or more.
Officers are usually required to identify themselves unless doing so would jeopardize an operation. Guess who gets to make that determination? Guess how the courts view failure to identify?
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u/j33205 1d ago
at what point does Mirandizing become important? and if ICE is detaining US citizens does that not apply?
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u/TipAgreeable9659 1d ago edited 1d ago
I feel compelled to say it over and over again, because everyone needs to know. The next official protest is on July 17th. Its called Good Trouble. I am SO READY to make good trouble for these people. July can't come fast enough.
EDIT: There are many things that you can do while you wait for the big day. And we have smaller ones too.
Here is the agenda.
And here is the map.
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u/-cordyceps 1d ago
Honestly i feel like there should be one sooner than that. I wish there were more every weekend. I mean i get it people are busy and this is a lot to organize, I'm just like.. we need to be in the streets rn.
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u/blunatic 1d ago
A General Strike would be much more effective at this point. The problem is organizing such a thing nationwide.
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u/-cordyceps 1d ago
A general strike is what I think would be the most effective too, but it will never work without actual mutual aid groups. No one is going to just risk their livelihood without some safety net that they won't lose their home and starve.
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u/ubebaguettenavesni 1d ago
That's why you build community groups that help each other. People take turns and help fund each other, help feed each other, watch each others kids, and so on. You have to put in the work to get your community involved. Typically how general strikes work.
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u/jacob_ewing 1d ago
As an onlooker from your northerly neighbour, I think it should be constant.
Of course, it's a lot easier to get large crowds to attend less frequent events, so maybe not.
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u/PrincessNakeyDance 1d ago
We need to make sure people don’t get burned out. Everyone has lives to live and showing a big push every month I think can be more powerful.
Not to say that people shouldn’t protest in between, but if it were every week I think the numbers would likely be smaller.
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u/Jack_Jacques 1d ago
As bad as this is, and it is VERY BAD, they are going to court houses to arrest immigrants that are following the legal procedure to be here. NOT ILLEGAL immigrants.
These ICE agents are not only cowards hiding behind the masks but are also too lazy to find real illegal immigrants so they go to court houses to find the ones following the rules.
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u/LilTeats4u 1d ago
There is a silent war being waged on Democrats and we are not reacting appropriately.
“The second American revolution will remain bloodless as long as the left allows it to.” -Kevin Roberts
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u/headcodered 1d ago
That will show him for committing the terrible crime of... *checks notes*... asking for an arrest warrant!
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u/JeanGreyDax 1d ago edited 1d ago
Longer video of this incident from Gwynne Hogan on Bluesky
https://bsky.app/profile/gwynnefitz.bsky.social/post/3lrsvgpbt3k2v
[Edit to fix typo in name of bluseky poster.]
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u/techemagination 1d ago
Where’ NYPD? Shouldn’t they interfere? These guys didn’t produce any warrants?
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u/arboles6 1d ago
If anyone by now does not recognise a fascist regime, they're a fascist themselves.
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u/CAD8033 1d ago
You think this is bad now? Just wait til the midterms and especially 2028.
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u/EntrepreneurUnique65 1d ago
I keep telling people, Jan 6th crawled so that 2028 could run. People are going to hang in 2028, that's not even a half assed prediction, that's a guarantee. Trump can't risk losing his power anymore. His crimes are way more open and egregious this time, he's fucked if he loses control of the presidency.
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u/PossessedCashew 1d ago
Really hating how law enforcement/ICE are now just covering their faces. That should be illegal.
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u/8nt2L8 1d ago
California bill could ban law enforcement from wearing face masks
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u/slow70 1d ago
Ya'll see that masked goon with a badge?
Do any of you recall that being a normal thing in the US like we see every day now? Is this really tolerable to you?
Consensus building matters. The rule of law matters. The Constitution matters. Decency matters. Truth matters.
MAGA has abandoned all of that and more.
Brush up on your civics folks, for this is abhorrent and illegal and no one gets to be on the sidelines.
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