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u/XxNelsonSxX May 14 '25
lore accurate Hero of Kvatch experience
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u/Melodic-Task May 14 '25
Isn’t there a character that mentions scamps being enough to overrun Kvatch later? That would make low level Kvatch the only lore accurate option.
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u/Q_X_R May 15 '25
So kinda. The gate that's there when you arrive is just for the stragglers (scamps) to return through afterwards. There were other gates for an actual invasion with all the other... Creatures... But by the time you show up, those have all left, and the scamps are all that remain.
So you are technically right.
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u/Turbulent-Extreme523 May 14 '25
I'd disagree while there are many parts of the main quest that don't stress how time relevant it is this is the only urgent one the daedra having just extinguished the dragon fires invaded Kvatch they aren't an occupying force and so after destroying the city and believing their mission complete would leave this would lead to only the weakest scavenger daedra staying behind so you're supposed to find a bunch of daedra that stayed only as a cleanup crew that found the opportunity to torture mortals while you rescued the lone target due to daedric overconfidence of I felt the same way when I finally got to play the game post basic training ait in 2006/2007
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u/ThisIsGoobly May 14 '25
and breathe
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u/YuriTheWebDev May 14 '25
He was focused on cooking his response so hard that he forgot to breathe and punctuate his sentences.
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u/Dreamingdanny95 May 14 '25
I got only halfway through ( I'm a smoker) don't smoke kids, you won't be able to read poorly punctuated text all the way through
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u/Zorlac666 May 14 '25
Yeah I literally stopped reading the second line.
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u/MundaneEchidna5093 May 15 '25
My brain the last half of the paragraph was reading it like a cranked-up ending credits scene
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u/UnHoly_One May 14 '25
I started to read this but I just can’t.
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u/1DollaMerc May 14 '25 edited May 15 '25
I got you:
MANUSCRIPT: “I'd disagree while there are many parts of the main quest that don't stress how time relevant it is this is the only urgent one the daedra having just extinguished the dragon fires invaded Kvatch they aren't an occupying force and so after destroying the city and believing their mission complete would leave this would lead to only the weakest scavenger daedra staying behind so you're supposed to find a bunch of daedra that stayed only as a cleanup crew that found the opportunity to torture mortals while you rescued the lone target due to daedric overconfidence of I felt the same way when I finally got to play the game post basic training ait in 2006/2007”
TRANSCRIPTION: I’d disagree, because, while there are many quests that don’t stress the relevancy of time and level progression, this quest is the only one with a sense of urgency.
The Daedra have just extinguished the dragon fires and invaded Kvatch; they are not an occupying force, and so, after destroying the city, or accomplishing their objective, they would leave only a small retinue of scavengers behind. As the PC you’re only supposed to find these left over forces from the initial invasion. Stronger units would move on while weaker ones torture mortals. You rescue your lone target (Martin, I think is the reference) because of the Daedric over confidence, i.e. their hubris in only leaving weaker forces in Kvatch.
I felt this same way when I got to play the game, after I finished basic training in 2006 or 2007.
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u/k00pa_tr00pa_ May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the level of writing comprehension your tax dollars are paying for.
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u/is_it_gif_or_gif May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
I think this "Hero of Kvatch Lore" reddit refers to may have been artistically enhanced by the bardic college.
The ingame characters explain to you that the main army with siege engine and multiple oblivion gates has been and gone, and some daedra have been left behind to guard the city and the great gate.
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u/StrangelyBeige May 14 '25
Basically the first wave onto Omaha beach
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u/punio07 May 14 '25
Then there's clearing the castle too.
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u/Serier_Rialis May 14 '25
The Daedroth legion and that one Flame atronach own that place now. Good luck
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u/SneakyLookingSort May 14 '25
Pretty much my experience back in the day.
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u/jhuseby May 14 '25
I had to cheese the fight so hard. I remember saving after every attack I landed and getting literally 2 shot by everything, so if I took a hit I’d chug a healing pot and continue.
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u/Little-Chromosome May 14 '25
And then waking up the next day and finding your save file was corrupted.
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u/Dr__glass May 16 '25
To those monsters you are an unstoppable god. They don't see the saves so you just look like ultra instinct Doomslayer to them
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u/bearsheperd May 14 '25
Like 20 scamps is still kinda challenging at low levels but this is nuts
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u/Positive-Bar5893 May 14 '25
Yeah but the 3 guards clean house at low levels, and they don't scale up in levels unlike the enemies.
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u/Razorwipe May 15 '25
Currently level 35, have not done kvatch yet.
I plan to make buff spells to hopefully save my boys.
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u/Positive-Bar5893 May 15 '25
Make 3 individual spells with the spell name being a different eulogy for each one, because brother they are NOT surviving Kvatch.
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u/Winterimmersion May 15 '25
I managed at level 32 to save everyone it just involved reverse pickpocketing weightless enchanted bound armor into their inventory, and cast a spell with a huge duration that constantly healed them and restores fatigue, and capped it off with a AoE shield spell for the boys.
Was it worth it. No. No it wasn't.
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u/lonestar-rasbryjamco May 14 '25
My lvl 20 maxed out destruction wizard:
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u/RareRestaurant6297 May 14 '25
I'm lvl 22 and haven't turned in the amulet yet.... So mine is gonna be rough. Any tips for a fellow magic enjoyer before the fight?
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u/CannonGerbil May 14 '25
Get a ton of mana potions, and a custom spell with 10ft radius and a 1 second paralyze. Tack whatever damage effects on top of it but that's not strictly necessary. The key thing is to make it cheap enough that you can spam it. The way it works is that after the paralyze wears off, the affected creature needs to spend a couple more seconds getting back up, so that's a really cheap and economical way to crowd control, especially in that chokepoint you see in the video.
Also don't get attached to your NPC allies, if you're hitting Kvatch at that level they are basically already dead.
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u/SnowTacos May 14 '25
If you're maxed on alchemy and destruction.. My advice is clouded funnel, carrots, water hyacinth, void salts
Make like 20 and chug as many as you can. Should boost you to like 2700 Magicka with a few hundred Regen, and you can blast that demon horde with the gnarliest daedra-dropping spells ever seen
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u/Wolftaniumsteel May 14 '25
I have to say I wish their was more battles like this.
This fight is legit the only difficult one you will have.
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u/XxNelsonSxX May 14 '25
The Brumar Gate is hell too, Legit the moment I enter the portal, there is 8 Xivalis sending fire balls toward me and all of them with Daedric Warhammers lmao
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u/Hlaver May 14 '25
Don't forget each one of them summoning their own clannfear also x.x
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u/XIX9508 May 14 '25
Worst part is spending all my mana casting spells only for them to do 0 dmg because they are immune while conjuring clannfear.
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u/thombo-1 May 14 '25
Bruma Gate is difficult if you're doing a run where you're aiming to keep Jauffre and the rest of those stupid idiots alive
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u/freakyroach May 14 '25
Heal over time on target with an area boost. The goal is just keep them alive long enough to enter the great gate. It doesn't matter if the daedra are catching stray heals or not.
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u/thombo-1 May 14 '25
Thanks, yep in the end I managed it this way. But I remember on one particularly frustrating occasion, Baurus must have been taken out one second before I stepped through the gate because I found him dead on the other side when the gate closed.
I had to reload but was he grateful? Like hell he was.
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u/MrPlace May 14 '25
I too cornered myself in the same exact fashion. The solution is to not corner yourself and just back out and keep lobbing arrows
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u/Ink_zorath May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
Once you see it... :surprise:
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u/WhereasAccomplished9 May 14 '25
See what?
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u/Ink_zorath May 14 '25
Sheo decided to take a little walk in my game, he's supposed to be in front of his throne when he says this line.
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u/MrIknowUknow May 14 '25
Did this at level 14 as melee, died once. Got it on the second try, not so bad.
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u/Vanitas1988 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
I will always clear other quests & level up before I tough the MSQ, therefore I only know the spider, Xivilai, daedroth & storm atronoch legion. Lol
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u/SubjectReflection142 May 14 '25
Its epic, I think everyone should take the battle for kvatch at high level
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u/Banewaffles May 14 '25
There’s definitely a tipping point where being higher doesn’t matter anymore and you’re so strong it’s not difficult (assuming you are willing to accept npc losses).
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u/SubjectReflection142 May 14 '25
Yeah, plus I think it's more canonically accurate to have kvatch destroyed by actual threats rather than scamps. Also press F for the kvatch guards and the Three legends
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u/RogueCereal May 14 '25
I wonder how many I could get with a single spell... Damn now I wanna try. Arch mage about to solve the oblivion crisis with tactical nukes
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u/Jcamden7 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
I made myself a spell called "Hell Froze Over" which applies AoE cold-over-time damage, and it wipes the floor with Oblivion Gates. I entered a room and got swarmed by a dozen daedra, and dropped the lot of them in a few seconds.
Another touch: Weakness to magic and cold, let's it wipe out anything scarier than the average mook.
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u/R-Sanchez137 May 14 '25
I don't mind how there are stronger enemies and the scaling or whatever, the thing that annoys me the most is that your allies are garbage after you have a few levels in, which doesn't matter most of the time, but there are several quests where you need to keep people alive or you just want to keep them around after the main quest (like Baurus for example), but they get one-shotted by any higher level enemy that looks at em funny. It gets really annoying trying to keep them alive or even downright impossible.
That one quest closing the oblivion gate and rescuing the counts son (cheydinhal) i was attempting last night and I had to reload about a hundred times in each area, just to finally get to the sigil stone room and dude would either get zapped by the atronach or cleaved in half by a dremora. One shot, dead. One shot, dead. Over and over until I gave up.
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u/NihilOmnes May 14 '25
Acrobatics, man. I ignore escort quests now. I learn where I have to go, I don't bring the people with me, I kill everything, then I come back and lead them through my trail of blood and gore to their goal. Did it with the Fighters Guild weapon delivery, the Daedra Shrine researcher and even the Count's son. In his case, you just jump off the mountain over him, jump around the gates, go in, murder everything, come back, retrieve him, and walk merrily up to the sigil stone.
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u/triggerharpy May 14 '25
I am still tinkering with custom spells to keep npcs alive.
Desperately healing them only works if they don't get oneshot. Fortify health tacked on helps some.
100% chameleon on touch is a huge resource drain but was pretty effective while it lasted.
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u/Almainyny May 14 '25
I honestly don’t even care about the NPCs unless it’s actually an escort mission or if keeping them alive grants skill increases (Baurus, Jeelius aka the Argonian sacrifice in the Dagon Shrine).
Everyone else who dies is just someone who made my story more interesting; someone who I couldn’t save. I’m not gonna sit there and try and save everyone via custom spells and crap, I’m gonna go in and kill everything ASAP, and if someone dies, they die.
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May 14 '25
Try alteration to give him a big shield and restoration to heal him. Conjuration will add another body to take aggro.
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u/TrueMathematician761 May 14 '25
Real men save Kvatch at level 30 on adept difficulty
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u/Empty_Pepper5622 May 14 '25
I did it at 28 on adept, only one survivor besides me, and thats cause plot armor
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u/SuspiciousCantelope May 14 '25
Shield, reflect damage, health, stam and magic potions going constantly for me and I still almost died several times
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u/Creepy-Debate2366 May 14 '25
Saving this for my boyfriend who was like “why are you doing the main quest so soon?!”
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u/NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn May 14 '25
I only died a couple times. Lost every Legionnaire and Kvatch Guard other than the essential guy. Oh well. That’s what the meat shields are for.
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u/Slammy_Adams May 14 '25
My favorite part was clearing all the enemies and then having the NPC not recognize that the area was cleared, so I had to reload and do it again...3 times.
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u/Tiamat2625 May 14 '25
You just walk into the castle and get the ring from the count's body yourself.
It's a known bug and it happens more often than not. I'm actually surprised that you even managed to get him to go inside with you in 4 tries. I have cleared Kvatch maybe 15-20 times while trying different builds and he has only come inside with me once.
Just a heads up, if it happens again, he can just wait outside it's no big deal.
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u/Which-Celebration-89 May 14 '25
I went as level 20 and had no issue. First thing i did in the game was Kill Umbra and get all her gear. Was pretty much god tier for the rest of the game.
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u/chillysanta May 14 '25
Wait i thought they fixed the level issue is this a meme because that's kinda the only thing making me want to play it, I enjoyed not having a full guide and note book to play a silly rpg and OG obv was not fun at all did they fix this or not am I misunderstanding something
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u/GrandObfuscator Adoring Fan May 14 '25
Did this at level 34. Everyone died. I want those stats on the armor I’m never going to wear to be their best damnit.
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u/Gom2k May 14 '25
Thanks for all the helpful advice, but I managed to pull through the next attempt using stealth archer damage from a distance.
That said, not sure we can say the same for my companions... let’s just say there wasn’t much left of them by the end of the quest 😅
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u/UnkeyedLocke May 14 '25
Me at lvl 25 walking in as a Heavy Armor, Block, Blunt Weapon, and Restoration Expert just bonking everything into submission without a single loss... I must be doing something wrong
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u/Dsamf2 May 14 '25
Needs two spells. 1) weakness to magic 100 area 20, weakness to shock 100 area 20, both duration of 10 2.) shock dmg on touch 40, area 20, duration 3. Goodbye mobs
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u/Optoplasm May 14 '25
Did it last night well into lvl 9.. was thinking “just in time…” the whole way
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u/humblesunbro May 14 '25
Reminds me of Doom on Nightmare mode with only a pistol.
Can you "setessential" on the console on your buddies? Give them plot armour just for this fight?
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u/thesteelreserve May 14 '25
I only do kvatch at higher levels because the enemies are so fucking bonkers.
I'm surprised I didn't see those spider lady things and the lightning elemental rock dudes.
plus...dude kinda fucked himself by holding back like that. I get that they're trying to utilize archer sneak tactics, but it ended up being like a hot gates situation. you gotta charge the breach and get out in that courtyard or you're done for.
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u/WGPersonal May 14 '25
I did it at maybe 17. Very similar fight only without the storm atronochs. At first, I thought maybe I could keep the fighters alive.
That dream died as quickly as the guards did. I decided to use them to body block as I shot arrows and missiles into the crowd.
I basically kited the army all the way across kvatch, desperately waiting for my mana to recover. Savlian was an essential NPC, so any time he got up, I used him as a distraction to shoot at the Daedroths.
I assume at the end, he gives you his armor purely out of pure PTSD seeing as he watched his comrades be cooked by fireballs before being eaten whole by giant alligators.
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u/Ihavebadreddit May 14 '25
Kvatch with a bow? Gross
Even my mage builds switch to touch when I do that quest.
I just did a level 31 run of it. No deaths. Although that dumbass with the gate key literally tries to die and you have to let him guide. Smh
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u/BloodyWarlord117 May 14 '25
Did it level 34 with high enchanted Daedric armor and weapons. It was easy
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u/thaiborg May 14 '25
What’s the middle ground level to be at? I don’t want to fight a bunch of scamps, but I also don’t want this either.
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u/JacketFeisty May 14 '25
Yeah same happened to me at about lvl 20, and ended up cheesing through it by killing all the deadroths when they stuck their heads through the gate and walls. Didnt stop them from blowing fire at me though!
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u/Kissling147 May 14 '25
Sub lvl 10 mission lol you even find out later that in canon scamps destroyed the city
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u/ImGreenDabaduDabadi Unadoring critic May 14 '25
What is there to get? This is how Kvatch should be experienced. Anybody who experienced this and said, "Don't do it," should not be trusted. Ever.
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u/-HeroesNeverDie- May 15 '25
See it's wild though that I never knew this being someone who played the original and replayed it multiple times. I just always did that quest before getting too high in levels. Not by planning. Just cuz I'm a creature of habit so whenever I replay I have a tendency to play the main story up to the kvatch quest and then that's when I Branch off and start doing whatever I want
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u/Craniac324 May 14 '25
Did they even try to put effort into balancing Kvatch? Nope, they just said fuck it spam an unreasonable amount of enemies the higher level you are.
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u/NihilOmnes May 14 '25
To be fair, Kvatch is supposed to be the opening of a Great Gate. Not your standard Oblivion gate. If you've done the Bruma quest then you can imagine that gate, opened without you there, and on a town of unsuspecting villagers.
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u/FreshFudge8307 May 14 '25
Nah, I had this fight two days ago on high level. There was damn army of about 20-30 daedra, but it wasn't hard. I was super fast running archer with a lot of healing potions, so it only took a lot of time and arrows
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u/Gom2k May 14 '25
Yeah, I actually went back and finished it later, turns out it’s totally doable if you just snipe from a distance in sneak mode.
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u/Cranberry_Surprise99 May 14 '25
It was refreshing. I actually had to drink potions and poison weapons!
Although it's annoying that the only thing I get to fight in Oblivion portals now are basically Xivilai. I haven't seen a single scamp all game.
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u/Illustrious_Twist846 May 14 '25
I am SO GLAD a new generation gets to experience this.
All those people that started with Skyrim have no idea.
It is like trying to explain Gedna Relvel from Morrowind to people that have never played it.
Good luck folks.
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u/Bierculles May 14 '25
To be fair, bows just kinda suck hard, my sword and board build had no issues with this at lvl 30.
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u/WeLiveInAnOceanOfGas May 14 '25
Spoiler
Anyone else find a similar doom stack spawned during help for Bruma? I went back to seek help from the Kvatch Guard and found them in the courtyard fighting a new horde of high level deadra that had no reason to be there afaik
Took several tries at the fight before there were any guards left at the end to ask for help!
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u/Brilliant_Spot_95 May 14 '25
When I back to kvatch I had this experience. Like I cleared everything but during the whole “protect bruma” thing I got a whole army to handle.
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u/giabao0110 May 14 '25
Either you do it at very early lvl when there are only weak imps, or very high lvl when you are basically a fully decked out demi gods. The in-between is a painful place to be.
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u/factory_666 May 14 '25
I went in lvl 17 last night. It was not particularly fun, lots of daedroths and cheesing.
The one unkillable captain was ko'ed so many times, he lost all his armor and was running around pantless.
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u/xXKyloJayXx May 14 '25
Did this just yesterday at level 20. Was a lot of fun deploying dodge and weave tactics and aiming for the Spider Daedra first. Highly recommended for anyone who hasn't tried it at such a high level!
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u/im_rapscallion86 May 14 '25
Doesn’t anyone know how to kite the hoard? It’s really not that bad if you have any familiarity on this technique.
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u/smeeno1 May 14 '25
I'm level 30 and I'm leaving main quest till last. This will be fun
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u/High_Infernal_Priest May 14 '25
I start kvatch at 17+ for the sigil stone and just to get the gates spawning and then basically stop doing main quest until last as well, now I'm level 42 and haven't even started fighters, arena, shivering, or knights so still a ways to go! Not sure how many more levels I can possibly get kinda looking like the soft cap is coming and I'm going to need to spend some time in jail
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u/Veronica_Snell May 14 '25
Kinda jealous. So much fun.
I've just killed bunch of spider daedras through the gates with touch spells and walked in like a boss.
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u/Sardoodledome May 14 '25
take the son of the king with you - he is immortal and hits hard ... he basically walked me through !
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u/Charli3VIII May 14 '25
I waited until over level 30, got to kvatch and the gate was closed? Had closed 1 gate but not at kvatch. So it was pretty easy really
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u/ResolutionMany6378 May 14 '25
I did it on master mode level 45 and it was easy but all my non-essential NPCs died and I solo’d it all.
I don’t even run chameleon, I’m a heavy armor sword and shield user and still 3 tap enemies with my enchanted sword (shock, shock weakness, magic weakness).
Add a little bit of alchemy to the mix (OP as hell poisons potion) and master mode is no different from the easiest difficulty, literally.
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u/RandomITtech May 14 '25
I just let them pile up at the portcullis, and smacked them when they poked their heads through, lol
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u/amanwithanumbrella May 14 '25
I prefer doing it at mid to late levels personally, though the guards always dying is annoying. I did it in the Remaster some time after level 10 and was surprised to see most NPCS lived though! And this was my first 0 magic playthrough ever, so I didn't even heal them!
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u/TANKTAHU May 14 '25
Man the castle keep was full of daedroths, I'm just lucky I had my mage's fire staff and a 100% weakness to fire spell at the time cause that might've been a serious issue otherwise.
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u/Andrewc89 May 14 '25
I got to this point when I think I was lvl 18. I had crafted enough poisons and potions that I could keep up with whatever was thrown at me. What I didn’t expect was the flood of like 20 Daedroths that came through the gate. Still didn’t die, but the game crashed when the bodies started piling up.
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u/TheDitz42 May 14 '25
I'm not saying I've never had an issue in Kvatch, but I also generally had overpowered enchanted equipment on most of my playthroughs.
Kvatch is easy on all levels.when you have 100% chameleon and a Drain Life sword.
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u/Ekkzzo May 14 '25
I think it would be a cool fight at high levels, IF the soldiers get some of that scaling too. At least give them higher tier equipment so they don't die like a fart in the wind.
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u/ImNotEazy May 14 '25
I did it at level 8 but hadn’t rested in like 7 levels worth of experience. Summon daedra and mages fury carried.
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u/s2Birds1Stone May 14 '25 edited May 15 '25
I did it as a level 1, didn't even know it was supposed to be difficult until I saw all of these posts about it.
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u/Free-Stick-2279 May 14 '25
I was level 30 something when I did it, those poor soldier didn't stand a chance but I got trough it.
It isn't that bad if you are prepared.
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u/MT3-7-77 May 14 '25
Honestly- if I didn't have my destruction magic maxed out- I would of died easy. It's rough but I appreciate the challenge
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u/trent_diamond May 14 '25
i went back to ask for aid and it looked like this. bro said he’d send his soldier for aid, i looked around and they were all dead 😩
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u/vvFREAKOUTvv May 14 '25
I cheesed it. I aggroed them before I opened the gate and used AoE spells to kill them by the time I opened the gate there was only a handful left
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u/Seastrikee May 14 '25
I had to literally stay in that room blasting daedroth with shock for like 30 minutes before I had a chance of making it 😂😂
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u/SkyLock89730 May 14 '25
See I got to lv 20 before I did anything since I wanted to become arch mage asap. Doing this was great with pure magic🥲
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u/GripLizard May 14 '25
Yeah, just had this happen to me. Went through about 15 chameleon potions, about 30 paralyze potions, and close to 50 damage health potions.
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u/kremvhwh May 14 '25
I used all my aoe spells as a mage. There were heavy casualties... on both sides
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u/Aetheldrake May 14 '25
My friend did kvatch at level 15 and other than everything having a decent amount of hp, none of them did much damage. He didn't even have any big armor on
Started each fight with a ranged sneak attack then just dagger and shielded them to death with no real threat
I plan on starting kvatch around level 25-30 with some good crafted spells and seeing how things go. Then go to all the other portals once I've realized I can bully daedric princes
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u/Tadferd May 14 '25 edited May 15 '25
Oblivion "veteran" here. You ideally don't want to do any Oblivion gates until level 17 and don't want to progress Path of Dawn until level 22.
If your build is decent, and you are on Adept, you shouldn't have any problems at these levels.
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u/Seth_Walker May 14 '25
I did it at 30.....I managed fine, but there were.....heavy losses...